From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 23 Aug 1995 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 02:03:24 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Wednesday, 23 Aug 1995 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://web.mit.edu/saperl/sg/archive/archive.html Today's Topics: Upcoming Tour -Reply Hello/Tidbit 'o info -Reply explain yourself :) Re: explain yourself :) ps bootlegs Re: Undeliverable Messages re:express yourself Re: hello Soundgarden fans speaking of exceptions.... HEART & LUNGS/TOMMORROW my video tape idea (fwd) Re: explain yourself :) (fwd) for silverchair fans (fwd) Upcoming Tour Re: speaking of exceptions.... re:express yourself Re: Superunknown T-shirt Re: speaking of exceptions.... Has chris lost the ability to hit the high notes? Re: Has chris lost the ability to hit the high notes? And more for silverchair fans ------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 08:53:59 +0000 From: Daniel Ladle To: somms@MIT.EDU, ansel@morgan.com Subject: Upcoming Tour -Reply Dear Vikki, I'll be there too, maybe i'll see you. What will you be wearing if it isn't too early to ask that sort of thing?? I shall have my luminous Soundgarden Superunknown T-shirt on, and my girl friend on my arm. See you soon possibly Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 08:48:43 +0000 From: Daniel Ladle To: bulldoze@aa.net, somms@MIT.EDU Subject: Hello/Tidbit 'o info -Reply >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello First post here, nice to meet you all I don't know if this has been stated before on here (didn't see it in the digested postings on the homepage) but Soundgarden a few weeks ago was having a photo shoot as Gasworks Park in Seattle. What the photos were for I don't know, but at this stage it very well could be a shoot for the pics that may go in the new album... or I could hope it is. Anyways... hope to hear some good stuff in the future. cya nd. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Dear Cya, I'm afraid that it was a shoot for the british magazine Kerrang. Sorry to dissapoint but there you go (they were good pics though). Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 16:13:53 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: blind dog To: LITTLE JOE Cc: The Garden Subject: explain yourself :) On Tue, 22 Aug 1995, LITTLE JOE wrote: > > Bands that are starting to > suck: > Pearl Jam: Don't call them good, not ment to. (Except for "Ten") > > I agree they are really going down hill. They seem to be more interested > in being musical politicians than writing good music anymore. how can yuou say that? pearl jam have written their best songs recently. I personally like versus and vitalogy more than ten. it has better songwriting on it. sorta like comparing superunknown and the fopp ep, I guess. don't you think that songs like rats, tremor christ, corduroy and nothingman are any good? I prefer to think that they are mostly on the upswing, despite the dave debacle. and if their corporate movements somehow defeat ticketmaster and lower the prices of tickets to shows, then I think that you have to applaud them. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 19:20:46 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: LITTLE JOE To: blind dog Cc: The Garden Subject: Re: explain yourself :) On Tue, 22 Aug 1995, blind dog wrote: > how can yuou say that? pearl jam have written their best songs > recently. I personally like versus and vitalogy more than ten. it has > better songwriting on it. sorta like comparing superunknown and the fopp > ep, I guess. It's a sorry day indeed when someone says they like vitalogy more than ten. Ten was back in the days when PJ had the spark that made them a great band. Vitalogy represents a complete departure from the sound that made me, for one, listen to them. I know some people can't appreciate how good albums like screaming life/FOPP (and even more recent stuff like Blind Dogs) actually are because they are looking for a clean polished sound, but this hardly applies to an album like Ten which was very well produced etc. True the lyrics in Vitalogy are well written, but that's only one part of the music. Pearl Jam seem to have lost a lot of the raw energy they used to put into their music, and no matter how well written the songs may be, there needs to be something in the delivery before you make good music. This is something that Ten and Versus had, but Vitalogy certainly does not. don't you think that songs like rats, tremor christ, corduroy and > nothingman are any good? I prefer to think that they are mostly on the > upswing, despite the dave debacle. The downswing to me starts with Vitalogy not Versus. To counter your point on the Vitalogy songs, don't you think: Spin the Black Circle, Satan's Bed, Stupid Mop, Bugs, Pry To, Aye Davanita and Last Exit are comparitively bad? Obviously there are good songs on the album, and those you mentioned are some, but that doesn't mean that the bulk of the album is good. It's a pretty stupid argument to make considering you already know I like those songs. As for the Dave debacle, that doesn't end till they replace Jack Irons with someone respectable. > and if their corporate movements somehow defeat ticketmaster and > lower the prices of tickets to shows, then I think that you have to > applaud them. Everybody knows Ticketmaster are somewhat crooked, but all PJ really achieved was to deprive a lot of their fans of the chance of seeing them live, and give them the hassles of trying to get refunds for all the tickets they had already bought. Anyway in the end they just crept back into their shells and let Ticketmaster abuse them (calling it a publicity stunt) without ever denying or responding to it. Ticketmaster from all reports have a virtual monopoly on venues in the US, most fans have been happy to shell out to see their favourite bands when they are in town, and to break down that sort of a monopoly is going to take a lot of legal wrangling that at the end of the day costs the fans. ___________________________ = ALIVE IN THE SUPERUNKNOWN = =========================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 19:24:53 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: LITTLE JOE To: soundgarden list Subject: ps ps. If you read the alt.music.pearl-jam newsgroup when the whole thing was going on, you would have read a lot of angry posts from a lot of angry fans who's shows had been cancelled. They didn't sound like they minded paying the price to see them. I guess ticket master calls that the beauty of supply and demand. ___________________________ = ALIVE IN THE SUPERUNKNOWN = =========================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 00:35:24 +1000 To: somms@MIT.EDU From: ar303921@student.uq.edu.au (DEFsonic, a sonic trip) Subject: bootlegs > also, I wouldn't mind getting everyone's opinion of bootlegs. do >you agree or disagree with their sale? if you have any thoughts, post it >to the group. > Bootlegs are great! I mean how else would you be able to hear some of the memorable concerts from around the world and get your hands on some unreleased stuff. And they don't stop anyone from going to concerts or buying released CD so I don't think the artist is really losing that much money. (I don't want to start a debate on that point cause it is endless) Tho I don't like paying the huge amounts they are usally sold for. seeya _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ SONIC E-mail ar303921@student.uq.edu.au Turn it up and Play it loud!! Let the blood rush to your head!! I love you, I love you, I love you, What's your name? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 00:51:31 +1000 To: somms@MIT.EDU From: ar303921@student.uq.edu.au (DEFsonic, a sonic trip) Subject: Re: Undeliverable Messages Sounds like me >Does anyone else get messages saying the one you sent was undeliverable? >Even when you know it WAS delivered (because you have already received >replies from people on the soundgarden list)? >Nearly every time I send a letter to the soundgarden list I receive a >message back saying: >>Your message could not be delivered for the following reason: >>Mailbox 102072.1215 is currently full. >>Please resend your message at a later time. yup, I get about 3 messages back one saying its full and another from somewhere in the pacific saying i don't have enough security clearance (or whatever :) > >I always ignore these messages, as I know my letter must have gone for me to >get replies. I've noticed some people complaining they sometimes get two or >three copies of the same letter - maybe it's because the sender receives a >message like the ones I get, so they send their letter again. I always ingnore them, no point in worring about something like that, tho it is a pain getting the messages back all the time. BTW sometimes I get messages twice cause it has been sent to the list and also sent to me personally aswell. So this could be some ppls problem, just read the address to field. Umm quick I need an on-topic bit :) Anyone in Brissy: Rusty Cage single and the badmotor music videos ie Rusty cage, Outshined and Jesus Christ Poses...$10 in rocking horse 2 seeya _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ SONIC E-mail ar303921@student.uq.edu.au Turn it up and Play it loud!! Let the blood rush to your head!! I love you, I love you, I love you, What's your name? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 10:55:05 -0400 From: ThisRulz@aol.com To: Somms@MIT.EDU Subject: re:express yourself i first off this is a sg mailing list, but i have to put my two cents in. satan's bed, last exit, and spin the black circle kick ass. if you are a true fan of a band you should like just about every song with very few exceptions. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 01:05:54 +1000 To: somms@MIT.EDU From: ar303921@student.uq.edu.au (DEFsonic, a sonic trip) Subject: Re: hello Soundgarden fans > > >Silverchair i'm not so sure about, but You am I are pretty cool. Their >earliest stuff is better than the stuff they recently released though. I >think in the clip to "My Wave" Matt is wearing their tour t-shirt. >Silverchair got their name by combining the title of a You Am I song >(Berlin Chair), with a Nirvana song that must have Silver in it somewhere It was from a Nirvana song that doesn't have Silver anywhere in it. Has sliver it it tho :) Those kids get mixed up all the time. _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ SONIC E-mail ar303921@student.uq.edu.au Turn it up and Play it loud!! Let the blood rush to your head!! I love you, I love you, I love you, What's your name? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 11:10:56 -0400 From: ThisRulz@aol.com To: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: speaking of exceptions.... to anyone who cares, do you agree these songs aren't to good: circle of power(hiro's voice a little to weird, music and lyrics kick.) head injury(i do know why i don't like this song, just doesn't click) half(tried liking it, just couldn't) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 09:08:39 -0700 From: ssssp@ix.netcom.com (Triryche ) Subject: HEART & LUNGS/TOMMORROW To: somms@MIT.EDU Hi, I was watching "Singles" the other day and I noticed in the closing song credits a song called "Heart And Lungs." It was written by Matt, Chris, and Kim and performed by Soundgarden, except I never heard it during the movie. The only other SG stuff that I know about in "Singles" are "Birth Ritual," a demo of "Spoonman," Chris' solo performance on "Seasons" and the Citizen Dick songs. Could anybody out there tell me if they've ever heard of "Heart And Lungs"? Also, Silverchair is becoming increasingly popular in the States. Frogstomp is already in the top 20 albums chart and Tommorrow is getting heavy rotation on MTV! I think this sucks! Hopefully, the popluarity of the band will die down a bit in the coming months....I'm seeing them at the Black Cat Club in the Washington DC /Maryland area on September 6th and tickets are already sold out. Anyways, the video version of Tommorrow and the album version sound very different. Its similar to what Pearl Jam did with their early videos. Does anybody know which single the video version of Tommorrow is on? The album version sounds like a demo and is not as good. - -Thanks Triryche "No it ain't...supernatural...supernatural, maybe..." - -Ed Kowalcyvk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 14:11:05 -0400 From: LEM89@aol.com To: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: my video tape I gave out my address to a couple of people who wanted my SG video collection. So far, I have recieved nothing from you guys. If you are in any doubts about my reliability, you can check with people on the Pearl Jam folder. I have completed many sucessful trades there. Thanks, Laura ------------------------------ From: aol.com!Snbrd18@gcc.cc.md.us To: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: idea (fwd) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 95 11:53:28 EST Forwarded message: > > -------------< COMMENTS BY Nothingman >-------------- > > I'm not too sure what Superunknown is about, but it has something to do > with people being sucked into things without really knowing what it > is...just doing it to be cool or something like that, and then they are > stuck and they find themselves doing this all the time and letting it > take over their lives. Things like religion and jobs and life in > general. > I'd like to know what Black Hole Sun is about and if the video has a ny > signifigance to the song. If so what is it? > > RC > Better known as Nothingman > > -If this isn't what you see, doesn't mean you're blind... > > ----------< END OF COMMENTS BY Nothingman >---------- > > i am new to this list, but from what i have read in the first couple of days, > i think it is pretty cool. The only lame part to it is all of the complaints > about how the list sucks(obviously these people dont like soundgarden). > Anyway i just want to say that i have liked soundgarden for about foursyears, > but i have recently really got into them. I have superunknown and > badmotorfinger, and i am definitely going to buy the others. > Just an idea, maybe for the list people could say their favorite song and > then try to explain what it is about. Maybe it will start a little > intellectual conversation. > I ll start this off. What is superunknown about? Drugs? someone give > input......or not. > > "look on the bright side is suicide" > "the lives we make never seem to get us anywhere but dead" > - dark quotes from great musicians ------------------------------ From: student.uq.edu.au!s327857@gcc.cc.md.us To: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: explain yourself :) (fwd) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 95 11:35:31 EST Forwarded message: > > -------------< COMMENTS BY Nothingman >-------------- > > > I think Ten, as a whole was a much better album than Vitology. But I > don't really like whole albums anyway. That's why I buy CDs to put in > my CD changer so I can program it for my favorite songs. Ten was an > awesome album, but Immortality, Nothngman, Tremor Christ, and a couple > others are much better songs than Ocean, Jeremy, and Deep. Black HAS to > be one of the best songs ever written. Even compared to Soundgarden > songs. I AM a diehard Soundgarden fan, but without my copy of Black, I > would go insane. > > RC > Better known as Nothingman > > But don't call me Daughter > > -All my love gone bad, turned my world to black... > > ----------< END OF COMMENTS BY Nothingman >---------- > > On Tue, 22 Aug 1995, blind dog wrote: > > > how can yuou say that? pearl jam have written their best songs > > recently. I personally like versus and vitalogy more than ten. it has > > better songwriting on it. sorta like comparing superunknown and the fopp > > ep, I guess. > > It's a sorry day indeed when someone says they like vitalogy more than > ten. Ten was back in the days when PJ had the spark that made them a > great band. Vitalogy represents a complete departure from the sound that > made me, for one, listen to them. > I know some people can't appreciate how good albums like > screaming life/FOPP (and even more recent stuff like Blind Dogs) actually > are because they are looking for a clean > polished sound, but this hardly applies to an album like Ten which was > very well produced etc. True the lyrics in Vitalogy are well written, but > that's only one part of the music. Pearl Jam seem to have lost a lot of > the raw energy they used to put into their music, and no matter how well > written the songs may be, there needs to be something in the delivery > before you make good music. This is something that Ten and Versus had, > but Vitalogy certainly does not. > > > > don't you think that songs like rats, tremor christ, corduroy and > > nothingman are any good? I prefer to think that they are mostly on the > > upswing, despite the dave debacle. > > The downswing to me starts with Vitalogy not Versus. To counter your > point on the Vitalogy songs, don't you think: Spin the Black Circle, > Satan's Bed, Stupid Mop, Bugs, Pry To, Aye Davanita and > Last Exit are comparitively bad? Obviously there are good songs on the > album, and those you mentioned are some, but that doesn't mean that the > bulk of the album is good. It's a pretty stupid argument to make > considering you already know I like those songs. > As for the Dave debacle, that doesn't end till they replace Jack > Irons with someone respectable. > > > > and if their corporate movements somehow defeat ticketmaster and > > lower the prices of tickets to shows, then I think that you have to > > applaud them. > > Everybody knows Ticketmaster are somewhat crooked, but all PJ really > achieved was to deprive a lot of their fans of the chance of seeing them > live, and give them the hassles of trying to get refunds for all the > tickets they had already bought. Anyway in the end they just crept back into > their shells and let Ticketmaster abuse them (calling it a publicity stunt) > without ever denying or responding to it. Ticketmaster from all reports > have a virtual monopoly on venues in the US, most fans have been happy to > shell out to see their favourite bands when they are in town, and to > break down that sort of a monopoly is going to take a lot of legal > wrangling that at the end of the day costs the fans. > > > ___________________________ > = ALIVE IN THE SUPERUNKNOWN = > =========================== > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 15:51:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Kelly M Allen Subject: for silverchair fans (fwd) To: somms@MIT.EDU Thanks for the info. I couldn't understand what the hell they were singing in some of the verses. Regarding the term "fat boy", I thought it might have to do with a homeless or extremely poor person talking to some rich, well fed, selfish, hopelessly clueless bastard (i.e. fat boy). I don't know. Make any sense to anyone? Krazed Fuckin' Kel - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 20:53:50 -0400 From:LEM89+@aol.com To: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: for silverchair fans I know this is the Soundgarden mailing list, but remember, Silverchair is "soundkindergarden"! TOMORROW It's 12 o'clock and it's a wonderful day I know you hate me but I'll ask anyway Won't you come with me to a place in a little town The only way to get there is to go straight down There's no bathroom and there is no sink The water out of the tap is very hard to drink Very hard to drink You wait till tomorrow You wait till tomorrow You say that money isn't everything Well, I'd like to see you leave without it You think you can keep on going living like a king Ooh babe but I strongly doubt it Very hard to drink, very hard to drink you're gonna wait till fat boy, fat boy, wait till tomorrow you're gonna wait till fat boy, fat boy, wait till tomorrow You wait till tomorrow, you wait till tomorrow you're gonna wait till fat boy, fat boy wait till tomorrow you're gonna wait till fat boy, fat boy wait till tomorrow {the only part I'm not sure about is "fat boy" What in the world is this song about?????) ------------------------------ From: "Limo Wreck" Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 16:34:38 -0400 To: somms@MIT.EDU > > On Aug 22, 7:20pm, LITTLE JOE wrote: > > Subject: Re: explain yourself :) > > On Tue, 22 Aug 1995, blind dog wrote: > > > > > how can yuou say that? pearl jam have written their best songs > > > recently. I personally like versus and vitalogy more than ten. it has > > > better songwriting on it. sorta like comparing superunknown and the fopp > > > ep, I guess. > > > > It's a sorry day indeed when someone says they like vitalogy more than > > ten. Ten was back in the days when PJ had the spark that made them a > > great band. Vitalogy represents a complete departure from the sound that > > made me, for one, listen to them. > > I know some people can't appreciate how good albums like > > screaming life/FOPP (and even more recent stuff like Blind Dogs) actually > > are because they are looking for a clean > > DID you know that Blind Dogs was actually demoed a few years ago. Back when > they started writing for Super. i've got an article about how Kim talks about > some new equipment they got. Him and Chris fucked around with and used it in > some songs: "Head Down" for instance. > > -- > > Jeremy Crocker, A.K.A LimoWreck > j_crocke@eos.ncsu.edu > http://www4.ncsu.edu/eos/users/j/j_crocke/WWW/home.html > > "This is not an exit" -Anthrax > "I know you better than I know myself" -TOOL > "I am the wreck of you all" -Soundgarden >-- End of excerpt from Mail Delivery Subsystem - -- Jeremy Crocker, A.K.A LimoWreck j_crocke@eos.ncsu.edu http://www4.ncsu.edu/eos/users/j/j_crocke/WWW/home.html "This is not an exit" -Anthrax "I know you better than I know myself" -TOOL "I am the wreck of you all" -Soundgarden ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 23:54:45 +0100 From: jpop@mapmf.pmfst.hr (Jovica Popovic) To: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: Upcoming Tour > festivals begins this Wednesday, August 23 in Ireland and > continues through Holland, Belgium, England, Finland, > Sweden, Austria, Germany, Switzerland and ends in Italy on > September 9. There will be no U.S. dates, as they plan to Anyone have more info on Austrian, German or Italian dates (when, where, with whom, etc...)? It will be greatly appreciated... - -----------------------//----------------------------------+------------------ Jovica Popovic \\ // AMIGA: An Instrument for creative,| Official United jpop@mapmf.pmfst.hr \X/ free-thinking individuals among us.| Nations opinions Summary: | enforced by UN Anarchist, rocker, vegetarian, nonsmoking, drug-free Amigan| Security Council - -----------------------------------------------------------+------------------ * Q-Blue jr. * ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 12:07:40 -0400 From: Greg Bensimon To: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: speaking of exceptions.... I have to agree with Half. It's a little too wierd for me. I think it was a disappointing lull in an otherwise totally kick-ass album. Greg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 09:47:59 +1000 To: somms@MIT.EDU From: Carolyn Subject: re:express yourself At 10:55 AM 22/08/95 -0400, ThisRulz wrote: >i first off this is a sg mailing list, but i have to put my two cents in. > >satan's bed, last exit, and spin the black circle kick ass. > >if you are a true fan of a band you should like just about every song with >very few exceptions. My thoughts EXACTLY. Carolyn Australian Lover of Music ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Feel the rhythm with your hands - steal the rhythm while you can" - Spoonman "And my youth I pray to keep" - Black Hole Sun ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 10:03:21 +1000 To: somms@MIT.EDU From: Carolyn Subject: Re: Superunknown T-shirt At 08:53 AM 22/08/95 +0000, Daniel Ladle wrote: >Dear Vikki, > I'll be there too, maybe i'll see you. What will you be wearing >if it isn't too early to ask that sort of thing?? I shall have my luminous >Soundgarden Superunknown T-shirt on, and my girl friend on my arm. GUESS WHAT??!! They even sell those Soundgarden luminous Superunknown T-shirts way down here in Australia!! Cos my husband has one (although he doesn't get to wear it much as I pinch a lot of his clothes to wear myself)..................... Carolyn Australian Lover of Music ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Feel the rhythm with your hands - steal the rhythm while you can" - Spoonman "And my youth I pray to keep" - Black Hole Sun ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 11:17:34 +1000 (EST) From: Alex Lyberopoulos To: ThisRulz@aol.com Cc: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: speaking of exceptions.... Yes i do and i would also add "I Awake". On Tue, 22 Aug 1995 ThisRulz@aol.com wrote: > to anyone who cares, do you agree these songs aren't to good: > > circle of power(hiro's voice a little to weird, music and lyrics kick.) > > head injury(i do know why i don't like this song, just doesn't click) > > half(tried liking it, just couldn't) > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 22:59:06 -0400 From: JUNKGUNF@aol.com To: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: Has chris lost the ability to hit the high notes? Hey all! I think this is going to be a very important mini-tour for the boys in SG. I dont know if anyone else has noticed...but chris's voice is different since he had that throat problem last year. Listen to his live voice from the March 94 european tours...then compare that to his voice in the FoBD video and the Self Pollution sessions. He seems to be forcing his singing. (NOTE: He still has the best voice this side of R. Plant and Paul Rodgers). He hasnt been able to hit the high notes since early last year...and he seems to be hiding behind some voice filtering (kyle petty...). How will this change affect the bands music? Will they be forced to go into a more "harder" or electronic effects-laden musical style? Can they still perform a quiet acoustic number such as "Like Suicide" or "Mind Riot"? I hope the answer is YES! SG Euro-fans...keep us posted! Has anyone else heard this change in vocal stylin's? Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 13:19:14 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: LITTLE JOE To: JUNKGUNF@aol.com Cc: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: Has chris lost the ability to hit the high notes? On Tue, 22 Aug 1995 JUNKGUNF@aol.com wrote: > Hey all! > > Has anyone else heard this change in vocal stylin's? Yeah, I noticed it in a lot of the clips they released for the songs off Superunknown. I think it is most pronounced in Fell on Black Days. (maybe that's why the video version was toned down from the album release.) It scared me when I saw it, because the strength of Chris' voice is such an integral part of the Soundgarden sound. He also looks a bit drawn and thinner in a lot of that recent stuff. I don't think it's very evident in Self Pollution though, he sings Kyle Petty very well and also No Attention, which is a fairly vocally diverse song. I doubt that it will be a lasting problem though, in every song where the problem is apparent, there are places where you can hear the old Chris shining through. It's my guess that he was just a bit worn out, which probably led to the break they have taken this year. Here's to hoping. ___________________________ = ALIVE IN THE SUPERUNKNOWN = =========================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 14:42:27 +1000 To: somms@MIT.EDU From: Carolyn Subject: And more for silverchair fans Hi folks!! Eeeeeeek!! What have I created?? In my very first message only last week you might remember I wrote the following: >Has anyone out there heard of Silverchair, Tumbleweed, Cruel Sea, >Midnight Oil, Hoodoo Gurus?? All pretty good Australian bands. I was >surprised to find mention of Silverchair on the World Wide Web so I guess >someone in the US knows them...... And as you all know that generated quite a lot of talk about Silverchair. SORRY to all you non-Silverchair-lovers!! (although I guess if you don't like Silverchair you wouldn't even be reading this letter - HOWEVER if you don't like Silverchair and ARE reading this, please read on and look at the interview I've typed in at the end - it just might make you dislike them a little less.......) {and an advance warning - this is a long message so grab yourselves a cup of coffee, can of coke, smoke, whatever, and settle down for a bit of a read......} ANYWAY, just to fill you in on the picture ~ On 21/08/95, LEM89 (Laura) wrote: >TOMORROW > >You say that money isn't everything >Well, I'd like to see you leave without it > >{the only part I'm not sure about is "fat boy" What in the world is this >song about?????) And on 22/08/95, Kelly Allen wrote: >Thanks for the info. I couldn't understand what the hell they were >singing in some of the verses. > >Regarding the term "fat boy", I thought it might have to do with a >homeless or extremely poor person talking to some rich, well fed, >selfish, hopelessly clueless bastard (i.e. fat boy). I don't know. Make >any sense to anyone? Okay, Now to my first response. Laura, just thought I'd better let you know you've got a word wrong in your lyrics of Tomorrow - it's "Well, I'd like to see you LIVE without it" in the line above. (not that this matters much). And I had a newspaper article about the band when they first released Tomorrow, and unfortunately I now can't find it. But I do remember that the song wasn't really particularly about anything. It certainly is talking about a fat boy, but not about anything profound. Some of their songs aren't supposed to be taken too seriously/analysed. But some are based on real occurrances {read on for details}..... Getting back to putting you in the picture ~ On Mon, 21 Aug 1995, Limo Wreck wrote: >> I've seen a lot of talk about Silverchair so far. Buy the album. They might be >> young but they can fuckin thrash. They also thank You Am I in the credits. On 22/08/95, LITTLE JOE wrote: >Silverchair i'm not so sure about, but You am I are pretty cool. >Silverchair got their name by combining the title of a You Am I song >(Berlin Chair), with a Nirvana song that must have Silver in it somewhere On 23/08/95, DEFsonic wrote: >It was from a Nirvana song that doesn't have Silver anywhere in it. Has >sliver in it tho :) Those kids get mixed up all the time. And now for my second response. I doubt that Silverchair WAS named for a Nirvana song {btw that song Sliver is a fantastic one - I actually listened to it in my car on the way to work this morning} because (as I've mentioned before) Silverchair didn't even like Nirvana. I learned this from an interview of the band just after the Frogstomp album was released, in a great Australian magazine called JUICE (I recommend it to any Aussies out there). Here are a few items/quotes of interest from this interview, done by Rob Johnson from JUICE magazine back around March 1995, talking first about Frogstomp and then talking to Daniel Johns (Silverchair's lead singer): *********************************************************** "At their best, like the opening track 'Israel's Son', Silverchair swing loud & relatively slow...................It sets the tone for the rest of the album; keep it simple at first, grunge it up at the chorus, go apeshit in the middle eight. Drench the melodies in the fuzziest guitar you can get. Which isn't to say the album's bad - these elements are often repeated because it's exhilarating to hear them done well, as they are here. And Johns, despite his age, is a distinctive lyricist. Where the most successful stabs at alternative rock have been characterised by a mixture of cynicism (the legacy of punk) and self-loathing (the legacy of economic depression), Johns' lyrics are characterised by something else - narratives that are spawned from wide-eyed reflection on the world around him, rather than rallying cries about perceived justice. The echoes of alterna-rock predecessors are only there in 'Tomorrow', in the scream of 'You gotta wait, fat boy/Fat boy/Wait till tomorrow'. But when you come to 'Faultline', written about a family friend who died in the Newcastle earthquake, the simplicity of the story, the inability to interpret what has happened - 'It happened so fast/Mother nature strikes once again', he growls - actually works in favour of the song. The same happens with the couplet that opens the bridge of 'Pure Massacre'. When recited, 'There's people crying/There's people dying', it sounds dumb. But when set to Silverchair's guitar blitzkrieg it becomes scary rather than sinister. And heavy guitar rock always works best with these broad brush strokes. It's not a genre given to subtlety. 'It's not really, like, full-on heavy,' says Johns of the album in general. 'It's more the same style as 'Pure Massacre'. It's more - more like Helmet.' As principal songwriter, he isn't shy about his influences - if more than one person has commented on the similarity of his voice to Eddie Vedder's, he has a simple explanation: 'When we started we heard Pearl Jam and went, "Alright, that sounds hell." So that's why we sounded like Pearl Jam. But we've kinda gone off them since then.' This is what Daniel Johns says about playing at festivals like Livid and the Big Day Out, where the band got a chance to meet their musical heroes [like Soundgarden]: 'We didn't talk to them.' Why not? Johns shoots me a look that suggests such a question is almost too stupid for words. 'We didn't want to look like COCKHEADS or anything.' This is probably Silverchair's main concern at this stage in their career - to make good songs and not look like cockheads. While pundits are scratching their heads and asking, 'How do you sell hundreds of thousands of copies of your first single, and then take your maths homework seriously?', the band pay each other out if anyone starts displaying rock star tendencies. Cut to Courtney Love's disastrous Selina's gig in Sydney at the start of this year. Love is standing on stage, saying in a baby-doll voice: 'That guy from Silverchair - he looks like my husband.' A significant portion of the audience shudders - in an evening of ghoulish pronouncements from Love, this must rate as one of the sickest. Then she adds: 'But he sounds like Eddie. And that's not so great.' It was at the Big Day Out in Melbourne when they finally came face to face. Johns was sitting in a tent, chatting to Andy Kent from You Am I, when Love walked past, looked in, and stopped. There was dead silence for about 40 seconds, during which time Love stared at Johns, as if to look right through him. Those who were there say you could have heard a pin drop. What does a teenage kid from Newcastle, who suddenly gets bracketed with bands he admires, do when the wife of Kurt Cobain stares him down? Daniel Johns stared back. Talking about the incident afterwards, he appeared not unimpressed, just disinterested. 'We never really liked Nirvana,' says Johns. 'We liked Pearl Jam and stuff.' [Like Helmet and Soundgarden] To describe the members of Silverchair as naive would be condescending - to a large degree, they know what they're doing. To say they're over-hyped is ridiculous - no one can control what the public wants, and whether they want more or less of anything. They can only respond. The endearing thing about Silverchair is that with this band, what you see is exactly what you get. And the long and the short of it is that these are three 15-year-old guys who have made a good record that lots of people want to buy. [since this interview at least one of them has turned 16] Bed Gillies is in a position to tell the real story: 'Our teachers still give us a hard time about our haircuts,' he says. 'We're like' - and here Chris, who can see what's coming, starts to laugh - 'We're like, "fuck off".' Obviously, Silverchair are having too much fun being themselves to give a damn about being a phenomenon." *********************************************************** Phew! There's my whole lunch break gone with typing all that. Hope at least some of you thought it was worthwhile, hopefully giving those of you who give a shit a bit more insight into the three kids from Australia............. 'til next time ~ Carolyn Australian Lover of Music ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Feel the rhythm with your hands - steal the rhythm while you can" - Spoonman "And my youth I pray to keep" - Black Hole Sun ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 1 Issue 23] ***************************************