From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 5 Dec 1995 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Tue, 05 Dec 1995 01:11:06 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Tuesday, 5 Dec 1995 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: an unkind remark... Re: Oldies but goodies Re: Unrelated Re: I am Alive in the Superunknown the extra tracks Re:CHRIS AND EDDIE ARE THE DYNAMIC DUO!! Re: with all the other pigs... Re: Unrelated web page advice needed Re: web page advice needed - correction Re: Smiling happy people? re:somms soundgarden in general Unrelated VERY TRIVIAL Tid-bit Re: Unrelated Re: Smiling happy people? Re:Maybe if we mush that Soundgarden up you could gum it down? Re: maybe if we mush that soundgarden up you could gum it down? WHAT?!?!?!? Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 4 Dec 1995 Re: Non SG stuff Count your little asses lucky!! Re: maybe if we mush that soundgarden up you could gum it down? Re: with all the other pigs... Re: with all the other pigs... Temple of the fuzzy ratdogs Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 4 Dec 1995 re:soundgarden in general Re: an unkind remark... Re: an unkind remark... re:shirts Re: an unkind remark... Re: the extra tracks Re: Louder Than Live CD Promo Re: shirts Superunknown - the video Re: shirts influencia Re:CHRIS AND EDDIE ARE THE DYNAMIC DUO!! Re: Non SG stuff why tour england if you're not english? down at the crossroads... Re: an unkind remark... Re: Superunknown - the video Re: Superunknown - the video Re: Superunknown - the video Re: VERY TRIVIAL Tid-bit Re: an unkind remark... Let's not jump to conclusions. Re: Superunknown - the video Re: an unkind remark... Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 4 Dec 1995 About Alive... CD+ Re: an unkind remark... Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 4 Dec 1995 Re: with all the other pigs... Re: Let's not jump to conclusions. Re: shirts Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 4 Dec 1995 Re: CD+ Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 4 Dec 1995 Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 4 Dec 1995 Re: CD+ She Likes Surprises Can you say homophobic? Re: web page advice needed Re: web page advice needed Re: Superunknown - the video Re:CHRIS AND EDDIE ARE THE DYNAMIC DUO!! Re: Louder Than Live CD Promo Re: Superunknown - the video Re: Superunknown - the video ------------------------------------------------------------ Resent-From: Chris Dawg Subject: an unkind remark... My main man seth, you could always do some nasty stuff to this guy!!! Anyway, whoever wrote the following trash, the point of the message was that all of us have gone through our own bad times in musical taste (how many of you grew up banging your heads to Quiet Riot?). Anyway, I doubt our list administrator would still consider GN'R a superior band to that one he keeps up the list for. (RIGHT?!?!?) Much love--Chris Dawg - ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- On Fri, 1 Dec 1995, seth wrote: > > I saw SG open for GN'R on December 9, 1991, in New York City. At that > > point, I had never heard of Soundgarden, and I thought they sucked. Go > > All you remember about Soundgarden from the show was that they sounded > like a whole lot of noise. You remember them playing Jesus Christ Pose > and it being completely unintelligible. You were just anxious to see > GN'R, as pathetic as that might seem in retrospect. do we really need people of this calibre on our list? these teeny-boppers who just want to stare at axl rose's butt and swoon at the mention of sweet child of mine and november rain are a sad indictment on the music industry and society as a whole. sounded like a whole lot of noise indeed. what did you expect? take your piano and go listen to some more van halen and motley crue, and don't trouble us *real* soundgarden fans with your rot. and don't eat too many hamburgers while you're galavanting around on holidays either. you'll get a stomach ache :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Tonerkins@aol.com Subject: Re: Oldies but goodies I wondered if this was going to get to you Dana. I mean you 30 year youngsters got lumped in with decrepit 40 year olds!! It seems after 30 you just are OLD to anyone under 25. With all our experiences in life and music we ought to start a Dear Abby kind of thing. You know straighten these "young Pups" out!! Or for even more fun screw'em up completely. BTW Blind Dog my vinyl collection is a killer but ever since the crank broke off the Victrola I've had to resort to those damn CD players. ------------------------------ From: jwrutl0@service1.uky.edu (James Rutledge) Subject: Re: Unrelated >> >I mean, how much >> >do you hear Pearl Jam on the radio? I don't hear them much, except for >> >a couple select songs. >in the detroit area, i don't think there is one band which gets more >radio play. there are five stations that all play pearl jam's music, and >they probably get more play on each station than any other single band, >maybe any other two bands. i don't even hear the local bands that made it >big on our stations that much. so i don't know where you are, but they >are way OVERplayed here. Hmmm.. not so bad here.. Although we don't have much of what I'd call "good modern music", ie SG, whatever, the station that caters to that here doesn't roll off too much PJ.. in fact they try to help out local stuff by having a show called "The Local Pipeline" on all the time where local bands get to play their stuff (if it's decent). I wish more stations would do this. MTV can't, just because they're a global thing, so I try to stay away from MTV's hyped-up nature... Personally I think overplaying *any* song is pretty annoying after a while. - -Semaj the $piceman- ------------------------------ From: jwrutl0@service1.uky.edu (Semaj the $piceman) Subject: Re: I am Alive in the Superunknown >Ok, so I'm responding to my own message, but I got interrupted. Alive in >the SuperUnknown is amazing. SG has definitely outdone itself this >time. It just blew my mind. You could spend HOURS exploring that disc! >Words can hardly do it justice. On that MTV online session, Chris said >that they were approached by people involved with that technology, and >that the band was involved from beginning to end. If that's true, then >they are gods of multimedia as well as music. The thing just screws with >your senses. There's tons of new music. Video...animations, >photos...spiders...superunknown, the bmf wheel...AAAAHHHHH!!!! It is so >cool! I will definitely have more to say about this disc. CUinTheSU!! Wow.. this sounds amazing.. hehe.. gotta get it :) - -Semaj- ------------------------------ From: al651657@sun1.ur.mx (jaime) Subject: the extra tracks i whish to know why a lot of bands(including soundgarden)release extra tracks for the japanese or european market. ------------------------------ From: "Dan \"Pop-tart\" Hearsch" Subject: Re:CHRIS AND EDDIE ARE THE DYNAMIC DUO!! On Sun, 3 Dec 1995, MISS DANIELLE G WEGELIN wrote: > just fer yr info, i had a fiend who saw NIN and saw a bunch of girls > bopping around in pink fuzzy sweaters saying crap like "ohmigod! > trent is god! oh yeah, him and kurt!" good god, where has musick > gone?!? heh heh > sickofitall!! > the self-adhesive-non-stick-grrl, > dani > > don't trash a band because of its fans. trent reznor hardly chooses, and really doesn't care, who listens to his music. you can't possibly imply that NIN panders to those little girls in pink through their music. the record companies just happen to think that NIN is a very profitable endeavor, and so trent gets a lot of support and publicity, making him a big musician. who knows where the attraction to that music lies (personally, it lies with my personal associations for the music and the feelings it evokes) as NIN is probably as personal and open in their lyrics and delivery as any band out there, and certainly takes more risks than others. if bands were defined and judged by their fans, what kind of band would SG be, considering eric lanning is a fan? i mean really. ------------------------------ From: "Dan \"Pop-tart\" Hearsch" Subject: Re: with all the other pigs... On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, blind dog wrote: > but back to seriousness, axl himself once admitted that chris > cornell was a better vocalist, observing that "he blows me away". I'm > just glad that he understands the true nature of things :) > > with music and success in the industry, I think it comes down to > song-writing ability. you can have all the technical proficiency and > chops you like, and be so weighed down with skill that it hurts, but if > you can't write a song to save your life, then it's curtains for you. > I agree with everything except this paragraph here. you can rule on everything, adn evn if you can't write a song, someone will write them for you. led zeppelin didn't write like half their songs, they just stole them from poor black blues musicians and made them cool, and they were still an incredible band. same thing with the rolling stones. these were bands that were not defined by the music they wrote, but by how they performed. and look at collective soul. they are obviously pretty proficient on their instruments, and they can't write a song, yet they are still very popular, and some, maybe even some on this list, would argue that they are a good band. look at sloan, a good band that can write songs, yet it gets them nowhere. (in that case, i think it's that industry's anti-canadian policy) hell look at milli vanilli, they didn't even sing, write, play, or do anything except bump chests and throw butt darts at the world, yet they made a hell of a lot more money than most bands can hope for. i come back to my ever-present point, that talent isn't determined by us, but by the record companies, and success along with it. we just have to be glad that SG rules in every way, shape, and form. > I'm listening to black hole sun right now, as a matter of fact. > and I think that if some other band would have written this song before > chris did, it would have sounded a lot more cheesier. I know there are a > lot of soundgarden fans that disliked bhs once it got some airplay, but > let's face it: it is still the same song whether you just put the cd on > when you first bought it or it's been played four million times by every > radio station in the free world :) > > soundgarden just strike me as a very sincere and very honest band, > who write top-notch songs and understand what true musical success is all > about. it isn't about selling twenty or so million copies of your latest > album and being seen at the mtv awards and having girls pull out their > hair and wave lighters at your gigs. it's about singing songs that are > real (ie. not bland and tasteless jukebox-filler and chart-stuffer > material), and songs that *mean* something. and I suppose that being able > to play like demons doesn't hurt the band a bit :) take that green day! > take that offspring! take that hootie! take that take that!! > > man, what a tangent. did anyone notice how some of those > paragraphs didn't even have anything to do with each other, but still > thrashed on anyway? > > > ----------------------------------- > a thousand doors, a thousand lies > rooms a thousand years wide > ----------------------------------- > > ------------------------------ From: "Dan \"Pop-tart\" Hearsch" Subject: Re: Unrelated On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, James Rutledge wrote: > >> >I mean, how much > >> >do you hear Pearl Jam on the radio? I don't hear them much, except for > >> >a couple select songs. > >in the detroit area, i don't think there is one band which gets more > >radio play. there are five stations that all play pearl jam's music, and > >they probably get more play on each station than any other single band, > >maybe any other two bands. i don't even hear the local bands that made it > >big on our stations that much. so i don't know where you are, but they > >are way OVERplayed here. > > Hmmm.. not so bad here.. Although we don't have much of what I'd call "good > modern music", ie SG, whatever, the station that caters to that here doesn't > roll off too much PJ.. in fact they try to help out local stuff by having > a show called "The Local Pipeline" on all the time where local bands get to > play their stuff (if it's decent). I wish more stations would do this. MTV > can't, just because they're a global thing, so I try to stay away from MTV's > hyped-up nature... Personally I think overplaying *any* song is pretty > annoying after a while. > > -Semaj the $piceman- > > we have a similar thing called the homeboy's show on sunday nights on the alternative rock station (well, they only alternative rock station, all the stations play slternative, but the rest all mix in other stuff, like metal and blues and stuff) anyway, probably the coolest thins are on 89X (that alteranative one), 101.1 WRIF (a mix station, but the DJ's are really cool and play some obscure shit) and Z-Rock. I know, we all have Z-Rock and they play crap, but if you catch it occasionally, they play really really really obscure stuff. i have heard gun, little joe, stray cat blues, show me, my good eye, fresh tendrils, drawing flies, and new damage at one time or another. ofcourse, i have only ever heard most of those songs ONCE on the radio. most of the cool stuff was on Z-Rock, if you can believe that, and 89X plays some stuff. but if you have the radio on in detroit, and surf the stations, chances are good that you will find at least one PL song on the radio. and the only cool songs they play are Black and Breath. ------------------------------ Subject: web page advice needed From: seth okay, i know i've mentioned before that i'm on the verge (perhaps two weeks away) from redoing the soundgarden web page. we have the content, now it's time we have the looks (i've begun work on the graphics, and this may be the first time i've ever been even partially satisfied with my work). anyway, what i need to know from you is what you DON'T like about the web page as it is now. i'm looking for criticism of the layout, the way in which pages are linked together (or not linked together), the usability of the whole thing. i'd also like to know what you'd like to see on the web pages that's not already there. i know i have to work on filling in the thin areas, e.g., lyrics and tabs. i'm currently getting sound clips together. i'm looking for some really cool ideas -- is there something you always wished you could find on the soundgarden page? thanks, seth ------------------------------ Subject: Re: web page advice needed - correction From: seth > okay, i know i've mentioned before that i'm on the verge (perhaps two > weeks away) from redoing the soundgarden web page. that's the "verge _of_ redoing" and NOT the "verge _from_ redoing"... seth ------------------------------ From: "V.A.Burke" Subject: Re: Smiling happy people? nothingman, you seem cool! where are you? Is anyone else out there from England or am I alone? I nearly bought a fork the other week, because its cool, not because Chris has got one! This is my first message to the list, so if I got it wrong, I'm sorry! BYE!! ------------------------------ From: "V.A.Burke" Subject: re:somms Subject: re:somms To: somms@MIT.EDU Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 06:57:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Matthew Paul Lawrence > > On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Frizzle Fry wrote: > > > > > VICTORY IS MINE! I have just aquired Satanoscillatemymetallicsonatas. I > > know you're all proud of me. > > Actually, i'm just jealous as hell. -j > Ditto!! I'm new and confused! can someone explain??? Vicki ------------------------------ From: "Mercyhurst Prep Library" Subject: soundgarden in general Hey gang! Wanted to offer some general comments to things I pulled off email this a.m. I can't help but get disgusted when I hear/read "sgarden sold out" stuff from anyone! Too often it's been from people in general--NOT on this list--who know diddly squat about the band! To those on the list who have mentioned Sgarden has sold out--in what way do you actually mean that? Is it wrong for a band to suddenly hit on a formula that the masses accept? Is it wrong for a band to sell some units of an album? Let's not forget how long sgarden has been together and struggled, and since the advent of the Seattle grunge scene, how long they've more or less slaved in the shadows of everyone else who was having hit records. I'm proud of the fact they did so well w/ superunknown and feel it's about time they get some recognition. They have been credited with being the founders of the scene. Don't tell me they've sold out when Kim Thayil just got cable tv or now that Chris is in a position to help a few members of his family. They are not rolling in the dough, which is a real shame for a group that's been around so long! I also agree with blind dog's question to Paul Sorrells--do you have some connections to the band? I've been around the music scene long enough that I could be called jaded, I suppose, but I know where I'm coming from and I do have a few connections. I've encountered a few people who pretend to, and unfortunately with this band, they're so hard to get to know and fans are so hungry for info that we all need to be careful. Don't flame b.d. and I, but do come out with the story, okay? Does anybody out there trade live stuff? I mean, really live stuff? Not the rip-off cds that cost $50 each, but tapes from shows, audio and video? This is a cool network we have going, and we could all help each other out. Anyone game? Trades only! Hey, Greg Bensimon--RE your note @ Jack Irons. I agree totally--he's no Dave A. Worst move EV coulda made was getting rid of Dave A. Anyone have his email addie? I'd like to contact him. He called once in response to a letter I sent him and left a message on my machine, never called back tho. signing off for today, kiddies! Anyone care to comment? deb in pa /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Mercyhurst Preparatory School Keeping you connected in 1995! /\/\/\/\/\(C)1995TMK/\/\/\/\/\/\ ------------------------------ From: rc@bbs.gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Unrelated BT>>I mean, how much BT>>do you hear Pearl Jam on the radio? I don't hear them much, except for BT>>a couple select songs. BT>Ha! _Just_ as I was reading this, Q101 (Chicago) comes on with its "4 in a BT>row from Pearl Jam" feature which is done 5 days a week. This is a special thing that we don't have here in the boonies. Around here, they play "The Best of Hee-Haw Music." BT>don't like it, just thought I would point out that they're on the radio. BT>There's nothing wrong with being on the radio though. If pearl jam, or any BT>other band for that matter, are trying to give people what they want, BT>trying to make them happy, But there are some bands that don't care about people, they just want money, which is fine, because that is what the business is all about. It's just that crappy bands get signed because some stuffy music executive things they have a cool "image." their music might suck, but they have the image that will sell records. And then they pay the radio stations to play that music, and the public, being the conforming masses that they are, suddenly decide that they like it, even though it's crap, and insist on hearing more of it. This is why we all get sick of bands and want to never hear them again. remember MC Hammer? You couldn't go a day of flipping through the radio stations without hearing one of his songs. But now where is he? Everyone got sick of him, and decided that he was "fake" just so they wouldn't have to hear them anymore. BT>why are so many people trying so hard *not* to BT>be pleased? Just to prove that they can't be understood, or are _so_ BT>unique that they can't identify with masses? Some people should just get BT>down from their own pedestal. These are the kinds of people who, a year ago loved the top forty music and wouldn't even consider hearing any other music, and now all of a sudden like NIN, Green Day, and even Soundgarden. They do it because they think it's "cool" or something. But they are doing the same thing as I stated before. They are demanding to hear this, which makes it more popular, and soon we will all be sick of these bands (although, I've been sick of Green Day since I first hear them). Except Soundgarden. I don't yet think it's possible to get sick of Soundgarden. Nothingman -I've got nothing to say, nothing to say... ------------------------------ From: ansel@morgan.com Subject: VERY TRIVIAL Tid-bit It's embarrassing that I noticed this, but I'm compelled to share this snippet with my fellow SG compulsives. I was looking through the various SG paraphernalia that has taken over my living space, SG's Rolling Stone cover was among the wreckage. I then searched Chris's bedroom eyes in The Day I Tried To Live poster for reassurance that I will regain control of at least my bedroom floor, if not my life's direction, and suddenly it hit me. The pockets of Chris's shirt are all wrinkled -- I've seen those crinckles before -- I look at the RS cover and yes, its the same shirt. The texture of the shirt in the poster appears much softer than on the RS cover, but what amused me was that even though Matt's hair in the poster had had months to completely grown out since the RS cover was shot, the same EXACT wrinkles remained on Chris's shirt. Should SG appear on any online chats in the near future, we should ask Chris if he believes in ironing. Imagine yourself as Chris for a moment. Imagine yourself reading this inane piece of "information". No wonder the guys are such homebodies. I wouldn't want to run into me on the street either. OK, that's it. I'll shut up now. Vikki ------------------------------ From: rc@bbs.gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: Unrelated BI>On Sun, 3 Dec 1995, Benjamin Timberlake wrote: BI>> >I mean, how much BI>> >do you hear Pearl Jam on the radio? I don't hear them much, except for BI>> >a couple select songs. BI>> BI>> Ha! _Just_ as I was reading this, Q101 (Chicago) comes on with its "4 in a BI>> row from Pearl Jam" feature which is done 5 days a week. I'm not saying I BI>> don't like it, just thought I would point out that they're on the radio. BI>> There's nothing wrong with being on the radio though. If pearl jam, or an BI>> other band for that matter, are trying to give people what they want, BI>> trying to make them happy, why are so many people trying so hard *not* to BI>> be pleased? Just to prove that they can't be understood, or are _so_ BI>> unique that they can't identify with masses? Some people should just get BI>> down from their own pedestal. BI>> BI>> "Looking for a pedestal that I can put you on, and be on my way . . ." BI>> - ben BI>> BI>> BI>> BI>in the detroit area, i don't think there is one band which gets more BI>radio play. there are five stations that all play pearl jam's music, and BI>they probably get more play on each station than any other single band, BI>maybe any other two bands. i don't even hear the local bands that made it BI>big on our stations that much. so i don't know where you are, but they BI>are way OVERplayed here. BI>if i hear daughter one more time... Don't call me daughter. Nothingman -Just call me Al. ------------------------------ From: rc@bbs.gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: Smiling happy people? FR>nothingman, FR>you seem cool! where are you? They like me! They really like me! I'm from puny Maryland in the US. FR>Is anyone else out there from England or am I alone? Wow, England, huh? That's pretty far away, I'd have to walk for a couple hours to get there... FR>I nearly bought a fork the other week, because its cool, not because FR>Chris has got one! I made a fork of my own, because I thought it was cool, but it's an added bonus that my favorite musician has one too. Does anyone know why Chris has one, or what it's suppose to mean, if anything. I mean, he wears it enough, it must have some significance. FR>This is my first message to the list, so if I got it wrong, I'm FR>sorry! IT'S ALL WRONG! Ok, I'm exaggerating. I liked it, but maybe that's because I was mentioned. :) Nothingman -Dreams have never made my bed. ------------------------------ From: DanaBT@aol.com Subject: Re:Maybe if we mush that Soundgarden up you could gum it down? Oh wait a minute, I have to go find my dentures first. There we go. Contrary to popular belief, memory is not the first thing to go. Vinyl v.s. cd's? Well, I love vinyl for "old times sake" but it's kind of hard to play when you're driving a car. Yes, that's one of the benefits of age, I can finally afford a cd player in my car. And yes, I have quite an extensive vinyl collection. Cd's didn't come out until I was 20 or somewhere around then so the 500 or so records that I have came mostly from my long, lost youth although I still do buy them. I just picked up "The Day I Tried To Live" on picture disc the other day as well as "H.I.V. Baby/Room A 1000 Years wide". I think there's room for both, I enjoy the lack of pops and crackles on cd's but there's something about putting the needle down on the record and hearing Roger Daltrey screaming "Can you see the real me, can ya, can ya?!" that gets my blood going. Just ask that ol' bird Tonerkins about it, I hear she's got quite a collection of 75's!! ------------------------------ Subject: Re: maybe if we mush that soundgarden up you could gum it down? From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) >>Coming from a thirty year young person, you don't wake up on your thirtieth >>birthday and say " I think I'll burn all my Soundgarden records today and >>put on some nice Michael Bolton!!" It doesn't work that way!! It's what you >>were > >Thanks Dana, I was getting just a little bit up tight with the "You have to >be young to understand Soundgarden". Why must there be an "age" link to >everything? Why should anyone on this list care how old you are - we are >all here because of one main reason.... > WE LIKE SOUNDGARDEN... > I'm sure you can still mosh with a walker or cane :) To our sweet, loving Blind Dog, No, thank you - I don't care for moshing even if I was as young and silly as you Blind Dog. I prefer to see and hear a band - being thrown, stomped, and general mangled in a mosh pit is just not for me. I respect you need for it - but don't care to join ya... But, I do love to feel the music and dance my soul to death. > but seriously, age doesn't matter a bit. I mean, you and dana >probably have much better record collections than any of us young pups. Well, yes in your case - I know CD are hard to come by when they are shipped to the outback by kangaroo.. >btw jamie and dana, how do you like the move away from vinyl to compact >discs? You can clean the wine off the CD better than from vinyl. But I do have a problem with those silly jewel box's. I break off the tabs or joints, crack the case, or break the little tabs that hold the CD in place. Seriously, I miss albums for one reason - the covers... I used to love the cover art, reading the liners, especially the covers for double records (like PJ's Vitalogy). You just can't enjoy the inserts from a CD like you could from a record. As far as sound - I have a lousy sound system. If you remember, I wasn't getting the words to "Who do I Kill" (Hater) from my system, well Mr. Steven Russell, Jr., can to my aid. I can now hear them (Thank you Steven).. But the system still stinks for good sound, so I can't give you a good answers to distortion and tone. Jamie (Still dancing for the Dark Man) ------------------------------ From: jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu (grote) Subject: WHAT?!?!?!? > > there's no reason to think that i wouldn't listen to soundgarden from > time to time, just because i think axl and slash are the definitive > musical pair of this era. i mean, that song "black hole sun" just > rocks. and chris is so hot. > > do you know if they have any albums besides _superunknown_? i don't think so, since they're just a side project of temple of the dog. anybody know when the dog-boys' next album is coming out? what were they thinking, dropping that tasty vedder guy??? he's almost as scrumptious as chris. mmmmmmm. tongue firmly planted in cheek almost to the point of penetrating the epidermis and rupturing my flesh.... ######################################################################## # GROTE!!!!! "I don't remember half the time # # If I'm hiding or I'm lost # # jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu But I'm on my way....." -Chris Cornell # ######################################################################## ------------------------------ From: "LENART ANDREW W" Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 4 Dec 1995 To whom it may concern, I recently read allegations in Rolling Stone magazine that some members in SG were homosexuals, and that this was reflected in the lyrics of a few Superunknown tracks. I know that Chris is married and everything, so can anyone set me "straight" on this topic? I don't want to sound like a gay-basher, but news of this kind is somewhat unsettling, considering that I have been an SG fan for many years. ===> Lenart <=== ------------------------------ From: Michael Travers Subject: Re: Non SG stuff I'm sorry about this non-soundgarden post but, I can't believe what blind dog said. I'm not gonna try to say that The Offspring come close to the musicl talents of Soundgarden, but to group them with Greenday and Hootie. Ouch!! You mentioned right before this about songs that mean something. I don't know how familiar you are with the lyrics to the songs on their three albums, but I think that these are some of the best lyrics around today. I also don't understand all this talk of bands selling out. If a band plays the same kind of music on three albums and the third one sells millions of copies because that kind of music becomes popular, that is not selling out. Now changing from a Ska band to an alternative rock band (ala Stone Temple Pilots) is what I'd consider selling out. Soundgarden haver an album out? Wow I only thought they sang BHS d8^) And I'll have to agree Chris is *hot* d8^) ------------------------------ From: ADAM PRITCHARD Subject: Count your little asses lucky!! You American type people should thank your lucky stars for your radio stations! You know the last time I heard Pearl Jam on the radio - last Xmas when Spin The Black Circle was in the charts. Soundgarden - I couldn't even MAKE up an occasion that would sound true. All we get is shitty dance and britpop (some of which is good) but NEVER EVER EVER any 'grunge' if you like. I know shitloads of people that would tune into a rock station but no-one is giving out permanent licenses for it. EVEN Bush and reef don't get any airplay whatsoever, instead it's Blur, The Stone Roses, Whitney Houston and Simply Red. Pearl Jam just won't tour Britain it seems even though they could probably outsell both Bon Jovi and Guns'n'Roses put together. I was graciously lucky enough to see Soundgarden (excellent!), Green Day, Hole, Reef, Smashing Pumpkins and four members of PJ + Neil not-so Young at the Reading Festival this year, and it kicked my mother's ass!! Needless to say that over 80,000 people were there and more wanted to come. Guys - get your butts over here - we have a music industry as well you know - save us from The Beatles II......... ------------------------------ From: gstanway@mail.wincom.net Subject: Re: maybe if we mush that soundgarden up you could gum it down? > Jamie > (Still dancing for the Dark Man) I have to say I'm more than a little surprised..... ------------------------------ From: terd Subject: Re: with all the other pigs... On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Dan "Pop-tart" Hearsch wrote: > I agree with everything except this paragraph here. you can rule on > everything, adn evn if you can't write a song, someone will write them > for you. led zeppelin didn't write like half their songs, they just stole > them from poor black blues musicians and made them cool, and they were > still an incredible band. Of the eighty-seven (or more) songs recorded in the studio by Led Zeppelin, only around fourteen can be said to even resemble the blues work of other artists. Of those fourteen only six can be credited to musicians other than Zep. And even those have been altered to have the distinct Led Zeppelin sound. Their first album can be said by some to be a blues rip-off, but the person who looks beyond that can see that LZ was influenced by blues and would use that influence in all of their albums. I probably also don't need to say that a great deal of rock music, as we know it, was and is influenced by blues, even Soundgarden. Kim has stated that he was heavily influenced by Black Sabbath which started out as a blues band called Earth. Anyway, to say that Led Zeppelin did not write half of their songs is a fallacy. Look to country music for musicians that rarely write their own songs. Matthew. ------------------------------ From: terd Subject: Re: with all the other pigs... On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Dan "Pop-tart" Hearsch wrote: > I agree with everything except this paragraph here. you can rule on > everything, adn evn if you can't write a song, someone will write them > for you. led zeppelin didn't write like half their songs, they just stole > them from poor black blues musicians and made them cool, and they were > still an incredible band. Of the eighty-seven (or more) songs recorded in the studio by Led Zeppelin, only around fourteen can be said to even resemble the blues work of other artists. Of those fourteen only six can be credited to musicians other than Zep. And even those have been altered to have the distinct Led Zeppelin sound. Their first album can be said by some to be a blues rip-off, but the person who looks beyond that can see that LZ was influenced by blues and would use that influence in all of their albums. I probably also don't need to say that a great deal of rock music, as we know it, was and is influenced by blues, even Soundgarden. Kim has stated that he was heavily influenced by Black Sabbath which started out as a blues band called Earth. Anyway, to say that Led Zeppelin did not write half of their songs is a fallacy. Look to country music for musicians that rarely write their own songs. Matthew. ------------------------------ From: Tonerkins@aol.com Subject: Temple of the fuzzy ratdogs I have read in different articles that Chris has several Pomeranians. Am I the only one that finds this kind of an odd dog for him to own? I mean we are talking serious yappy fuzzy ratdogs here! It's just not the breed one would expect! A shepard or an Irish wolfhound or something on that order. If dogs are like a reflection of their owners than Kim should have a big furry dog maybe a St. Bernard. The dog could carry beer in his keg, most handy for Kim. Matt should have some kind of feisty Terrier. And Ben strikes me as a cat person. Dimwitted thoughts on a Monday morning. I guess my medication hasn't kicked in yet!-T ------------------------------ From: jtm8@cornell.edu (J.T. Myers) Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 4 Dec 1995 > The only reason Sliverchair is any popular at all is b/c MTV >annointed them as the successers of Nivrana just like Bush is the next >PJ. Damn. I thought BUSH was the next Nirvana and Silverchair was the next Candlebox. I guess I should try to keep up with this MTV stuff a little more instead of actually listening to music. --JT ------------------------------ From: HQXH39C@prodigy.com (MR SEAN M MCELENY) Subject: re:soundgarden in general Deb in pa wrote: >Not the rip-off cds that cost $50 each, but tapes from shows, audio and >video? This is a cool network we have going, and we could all help >each other out. Anyone game? Trades only! Hi I have a few shows and would definetly be willing to trade with someone for a show i dont already have.I have the Crown of Thorns boot ,the Somewhere 1992 show , Motorvision and Louder Than Live videos and the Stolen Prayer bootleg . Oh yeah and alot of rare b- sides. I want to trade with anyone in the U.S who is willing( I really WANT a show from the 94 or 93 tour but I'll trade for any shows really). thanks later Mr.Gone ------------------------------ From: BdMtrFngr Subject: Re: an unkind remark... Does this retard know who he is making fun of? On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, blind dog wrote: > On Fri, 1 Dec 1995, seth wrote: > > > > I saw SG open for GN'R on December 9, 1991, in New York City. At that > > > point, I had never heard of Soundgarden, and I thought they sucked. Go > > > > All you remember about Soundgarden from the show was that they sounded > > like a whole lot of noise. You remember them playing Jesus Christ Pose > > and it being completely unintelligible. You were just anxious to see > > GN'R, as pathetic as that might seem in retrospect. > > do we really need people of this calibre on our list? these > teeny-boppers who just want to stare at axl rose's butt and swoon at the > mention of sweet child of mine and november rain are a sad indictment on > the music industry and society as a whole. sounded like a whole lot of > noise indeed. what did you expect? take your piano and go listen to some > more van halen and motley crue, and don't trouble us *real* soundgarden > fans with your rot. > > and don't eat too many hamburgers while you're galavanting around > on holidays either. you'll get a stomach ache :) > > > > ----------------------------------- > a thousand doors, a thousand lies > rooms a thousand years wide > ----------------------------------- > > ------------------------------ From: BdMtrFngr Subject: Re: an unkind remark... On Sun, 3 Dec 1995, seth wrote: > > > > > I saw SG open for GN'R on December 9, 1991, in New York City. At that > > > > point, I had never heard of Soundgarden, and I thought they sucked. Go > > > > > > All you remember about Soundgarden from the show was that they sounded > > > like a whole lot of noise. You remember them playing Jesus Christ Pose > > > and it being completely unintelligible. You were just anxious to see > > > GN'R, as pathetic as that might seem in retrospect. > > > > do we really need people of this calibre on our list? these > > teeny-boppers who just want to stare at axl rose's butt and swoon at the > > mention of sweet child of mine and november rain are a sad indictment on > > the music industry and society as a whole. sounded like a whole lot of > > noise indeed. what did you expect? take your piano and go listen to some > > more van halen and motley crue, and don't trouble us *real* soundgarden > > fans with your rot. > > there's no reason to think that i wouldn't listen to soundgarden from > time to time, just because i think axl and slash are the definitive > musical pair of this era. i mean, that song "black hole sun" just > rocks. and chris is so hot. > > do you know if they have any albums besides _superunknown_? > > seth > > > ps - to list newcomers, it's a _joke_! > I agree! Black Hole Sun Rocks! All of the other songs suck though except for maybe spoonman. I dont think there are anymore albums though because i have only seen one video of theirs on MTV. ------------------------------ From: BdMtrFngr Subject: re:shirts Can you buy me one of these shirts that you speak of? On Sat, 2 Dec 1995, Matthew Paul Lawrence wrote: > On the subject of shirts, has anyone ever seen this shirt that says "Alice in > the Temle of Pearl Garden"?(combining the logos for each of the bands) I have > only ever seen one shirt like it other than mine, and I only know of one shop > where you can buy it. Can you people outside the UK buy it? I thought it was > pretty cool, as long as you like all the bands :) > > Matt > ------------------------------ From: harrimt5@wfu.edu (Matt Harrington) Subject: Re: an unkind remark... Didn't the lead singer from Sound gardens kill himself or something? It's too bad, because that guitar-playing guy would be cool if he'd just shave his beard. >No, sound gardens don't have no other albums. I agree Chris is so hot >too. He's yummy! > >>>>-------------------------------> > Geoff Kleemola > gkleemol@io.uwinnipeg.ca > U of Winnipeg Psychology student > http://www.uwinnipeg.ca/~gkleemol ><-------------------------------<<< > >On Sun, 3 Dec 1995, seth wrote: > >> >> > > > I saw SG open for GN'R on December 9, 1991, in New York City. At that >> > > > point, I had never heard of Soundgarden, and I thought they sucked. Go >> > > >> > > All you remember about Soundgarden from the show was that they sounded >> > > like a whole lot of noise. You remember them playing Jesus Christ Pose >> > > and it being completely unintelligible. You were just anxious to see >> > > GN'R, as pathetic as that might seem in retrospect. >> > >> > do we really need people of this calibre on our list? these >> > teeny-boppers who just want to stare at axl rose's butt and swoon at the >> > mention of sweet child of mine and november rain are a sad indictment on >> > the music industry and society as a whole. sounded like a whole lot of >> > noise indeed. what did you expect? take your piano and go listen to some >> > more van halen and motley crue, and don't trouble us *real* soundgarden >> > fans with your rot. >> >> there's no reason to think that i wouldn't listen to soundgarden from >> time to time, just because i think axl and slash are the definitive >> musical pair of this era. i mean, that song "black hole sun" just >> rocks. and chris is so hot. >> >> do you know if they have any albums besides _superunknown_? >> >> seth >> >> >> ps - to list newcomers, it's a _joke_! >> > > ------------------------------ From: ansel@morgan.com Subject: Re: the extra tracks Trying to figure out why bonus tracks are predominantly released to the Japanese and European markets is like trying to solve the "which came first, the chicken or the egg" question. In a fit of frustration and bankruptcy, I called Silver Management last year and asked them this very question. Apparently, CD and cassette singles are much more popular abroad than in the U.S. and the record companies therefore include bonus tracks as a marketing incentive to reward consumers for their patronage. Why it hasn't occurred to them that the reason the singles are more popular abroad is BECAUSE THEY INCLUDE BONUS TRACKS, well nobody could answer my question. Vikki ------------------------------ From: curtis wayne swedran Subject: Re: Louder Than Live CD Promo Okay everybody, I know this is going to come to a huge shock to a lot of people, but I think there is some truth to this message. I am as as big a fan of Chris Cornell as the next person and I don't have anything against gay people but I've heard from a few different reliable sources that he was at least bi. When SG first started out, and they were playing in rinky-dink little clubs like all bands must do at some point, they apparently played here in Bloomington, IN and I guess C either offered to or did have oral sex w/ some guy. I know it sounds pretty flimsy but the guy was good friends w/ a brother of a lifelong friend of mine. Take from it what you will, that's the way it was told to me. Curt P.S. Thanks alot to whoever posted the meaning behind "I Awake" it really made my day. Curt On Fri, 1 Dec 1995 SHROOMGRL1@aol.com wrote: > Hmmm...does anyone know what was up with Chris in "Louder Than Live" > during the song "I Awake"? Why was he molesting that guy from the audience? > And why was > Jason Everman humping Chris at the end of the song? For a long time after > watching that video, my friends and I had this theory that Chris was gay (or > at least bi). He had married Susan because he wanted a cover up, and that's > why they never had children. And maybe there was a little something more > going on between Chris and Jason than just the music, but it went wrong... > which was a reason that "Jason just did not work out". I realize now of > course that our theory was totally ridiculous, but I've always wondered about > that video. Anyone have an explanation? Were they just doing it for the > shock value? I'm still kinda confused (which is not at all unusual for me). > Suzie > "Nameless horror we call love. I was only laughing... HA! I was laughing!!" > ~My Life With > the Thrill Kill Kult > > ------------------------------ From: curtis wayne swedran Subject: Re: shirts I bet those pants could pretty well get up and walk by themselves, huh Matt? Curt On Fri, 1 Dec 1995, terd wrote: > > > On Fri, 1 Dec 1995 S0undgardn@aol.com wrote: > > > Ok I have a question. It's really stupid but i've gotta know if there is > > anyone like me.I wear soundgarden shirts everyday of my life and I have been > > for the past year and a half. Does anybody else do this? I have 27 shirts > > does anybody have more than that? Thanks for listening! > > Lisa > > > No, but I have a pair of pants that I found at a Soundgarden show that I > have been wearing everyday of my life for the last two years. > > Matthew. > ------------------------------ From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: Superunknown - the video All I have to say is WOW! I just saw the video for "superunknown" on a vidoetape of last night's 120 Minutes. Brilliant. Steven ------------------------------ From: terd Subject: Re: shirts On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, curtis wayne swedran wrote: > I bet those pants could pretty well get up and walk by themselves, huh Matt? > > Curt After two or three bongloads, etc. Everything was pretty much walking by itself. ------------------------------ From: He Who Walks Between <"He Who Walks Between"@email.unc.edu> Subject: influencia I just came from a local record store that has a bulletin board where the public is free to post things so you see a few people looking to start bands putting up posters. (Can you say run on sentence?) Anyway, there were four of these posters up with people looking to start bands. Soundgarden was listed as an influence of 3 of these. Of course, the other listed influences such as Green Day, etc. so i guess they aren't technically strong enough to call Soundgarden an influence anyway. Those other three posters made me happy though. Made me wish i could play guitar good enough to join. Made me want to go home and play sg songs. So, get some more tab up, you guitarists w/ ears for music!! Cuz i don't have one! On a totally unrelated note, i remember a posting of someone from Seattle. Well, if you or anyone else knows more about Malfunkshun, please share your info with me. I guess that will be all for today..... -j ------------------------------ From: NFFW05D@prodigy.com (MISS DANIELLE G WEGELIN) Subject: Re:CHRIS AND EDDIE ARE THE DYNAMIC DUO!! i didn't mean to imply that NIN is terrible or anything because of thier fans...i just thought i was ironic. - --dani ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: Re: Non SG stuff On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Michael Travers wrote: > blind dog said. I'm not gonna try to say that The Offspring come close > to the musicl talents of Soundgarden, but to group them with Greenday > and Hootie. Ouch!! You mentioned right before this about songs that > mean something. I don't know how familiar you are with the lyrics to > the songs on their three albums, but I think that these are some of the > best lyrics around today. you are right michael, I'm not that familiar with offspring lyrics. so maybe I was a little hasty. but I was just naming a couple of bands that, to me, sell a lot of albums just on the strength of one or two songs. can you seriously tell me that smash is a strong as superunknown? are all the songs just as good as those singles that sold big? imho, music is also about making *albums*, not just writing a hit or two and then filling up the rest of the record with shit. not that the remainder of smash is shit, but I'm sure we can all name a band or three who remind us of this. you can't judge a record on the strength of on just a couple of songs. but if you like the lyrics they write, then that's cool too. I guess it's all in the eye of the beholder. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: why tour england if you're not english? On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, ADAM PRITCHARD wrote: > MAKE up an occasion that would sound true. All we get is shitty dance > and britpop (some of which is good) but NEVER EVER EVER any 'grunge' if > you like. I know shitloads of people that would tune into a rock > station but no-one is giving out permanent licenses for it. EVEN Bush I'm not sure that the english press in general has ever given any real consideration to american rock. they seem to have this inbuilt mechanism that only allows them to praise english 'rock' (how you define this is up to you) like blur, oasis and the stone roses, while alternately ignoring or heaping shit on american rock. and then you probably have to wade through massive attack and a bunch of techno/rave stuff, don't you adam? is there a problem with music journalists over in the uk? I mean, they continually bad-mouthed led zeppelin for crying out loud! ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: down at the crossroads... On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, terd wrote: > On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Dan "Pop-tart" Hearsch wrote: > > I agree with everything except this paragraph here. you can rule on > > everything, adn evn if you can't write a song, someone will write them > > for you. led zeppelin didn't write like half their songs, they just stole > > them from poor black blues musicians and made them cool, and they were > > Of the eighty-seven (or more) songs recorded in the studio by Led > Zeppelin, only around fourteen can be said to even resemble the blues > work of other artists. Of those fourteen only six can be credited to > musicians other than Zep. And even those have been altered to have the thanks for the support matthew. I have a lot of respect for blues music, as it is considered the basis for all the rock music we listen to these days. but blues songs have been covered, converted and shared by musicians for decades. even all the blues musicians in america would take and modify things that they liked in other people's work. I think there are some really old blues songs that can't even be traced to an original writer. how is that for share and share alike? but as for led zeppelin, while they may have been highly influenced by blues musicians and music (as were the rest of the british and american music communities), you can't say that they were thieves and thieves only. no blues singer wrote stairway to heaven, black dog or the rain song. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: Re: an unkind remark... On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, BdMtrFngr wrote: > Does this retard know who he is making fun of? > > do we really need people of this calibre on our list? these > > teeny-boppers who just want to stare at axl rose's butt and swoon at the > > mention of sweet child of mine and november rain are a sad indictment on it was a joke. do you understand what that is? ------------------------------ From: Geoff Kleemola Subject: Re: Superunknown - the video Ok, ok, ok...wait a minute...Superunknown - the video? Are we talking a MuchMusic/MTV/MuchUSA type video? What exactly is 120 Minutes? What's in the video? Anything like the Superunknown in AITS? >>>-------------------------------> Geoff Kleemola gkleemol@io.uwinnipeg.ca U of Winnipeg Psychology student http://www.uwinnipeg.ca/~gkleemol <-------------------------------<<< On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Steven Russell Jr. wrote: > All I have to say is WOW! > > I just saw the video for "superunknown" on a vidoetape of last night's 120 > Minutes. Brilliant. > > > > Steven > > > ------------------------------ From: S0undgardn@aol.com Subject: Re: Superunknown - the video The superunknown video is from alive in the superunknown. 120 minutes is on mtv midnights on sunday. It's a pretty good video! ------------------------------ From: HQXH39C@prodigy.com (MR SEAN M MCELENY) Subject: Re: Superunknown - the video sgaol wrote re:The superunknown video is from alive in the superunknown. 120 minutes is on re:mtv midnights on sunday. It's a pretty good video! thank god its a good video unlike a few of their old ones. I get really ashamed when I watch My Wave and the production on that when my friends are around.But actually most of their videos are good so what am i babbling about ahhhh gotta go eat spagetti sean ------------------------------ From: ansel@morgan.com Subject: Re: VERY TRIVIAL Tid-bit I luv "guy things" like SG music and wrinkled shirts. I'm 26 and my father still wonders where his shirts disappear to. Unfortunately, Chris is undeniably beautiful and talented, talented, talented. I'm sure the groupie bimbo thing is extremely irritating and probably fuels his loner tendencies. At SG's New York Armory concert last year, a girl tossed a love note to Chris -- he read it to himself and tossed it back. Harsh, but necessary. Actually, its pretty damn difficult being a female SG fan. I'm sick of explaining to friends and family that my SG poster is not evidence that I am regressing. I actually LISTEN to the music and READ the lyrics. THEY ARE IMPORTANT TO ME! My uterus and the rest of me actually RELATE to the moods. A picture of the band on my wall is the same as a photo of my cat or a family portrait -- simply something that is precious to me -- even when the memories and images brought back by SG's music are painful, they sill bring me joy. Make sense? Does to me. :) Vikki ------------------------------ From: LITTLE JOE Subject: Re: an unkind remark... On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, BdMtrFngr wrote: > Does this retard know who he is making fun of? Gee I wonder. He must be pretty dumb hey, he's been on the list from day one and he doesn't know who Seth is. I bet he's feeling pretty stupid right now. No wait a second it's not possible, it must have been a joke, that's J-O-K-E for you Badmotorfinger just so you understand, are you on a football scholarship or something. It amazes me how you always manage to come up with a brash arrogant answer to everything. You're a shocker! ___________________________ = ALIVE IN THE SUPERUNKNOWN = =========================== ------------------------------ From: stolen.prayers@bbs.cowland.com Subject: Let's not jump to conclusions. Now, after reading all of this 'Chris Cornell is bi' allegations, I thought to myself, "That is very interesting.." I mean, I've listened to Soundgarden for three and a half years and I never suspected a thing. He supposedly offered to/actually did give someone ah.. ahem.. ummm... well, I'll just be blunt here.. blowjob.. now come on.. If Chris Cornell is bisexual that's all well and good, and it's not gonna change how I look at him and how I listen to Soundgarden.. whatever floats Chris's boat.. but seriously, we have to keep his inane sense of humor in mind. We've all seen Chris on TV, read his interviews.. Now HOW MANY of you can see Chris offer someone a blowjob and be SERIOUS? I.. it... just weird... I can't see it. If he was serious, that's great for him, he's getting more than I ever have. :) But I can't really honestly see Chris Cornell do that and be serious. I mean, at first I thought to myself, upon hearing this, "Whoa.. well... maybe males who find Chris attractive don't have to be so depressed now.." you know, whatever... but then I realized... when is he serious? I mean outside of his songs? He's always joking around and stuff. Sorry but that's my opinion.. you either agree or disagree, in fact you probably disagree, but I cannot for my life see him do something like that and be totally serious. I dunno, I'm open to suggestions, what does everyone else think? ------------------------------ From: Geoff Kleemola Subject: Re: Superunknown - the video What's wrong with the My WAve video? I think that's one of their best videos. That video is an artifact of the Superunknown tour. It summed up that whole show. The movie intermingled with the band playing - what more could a fan ask for? It's a record of that night. The Mustang careening around the corner after the kid, the blue guy with the hourglass, and all the other freaky images. Of course if you didn't see any shows from the tour , you probably wouldn't get it. Does anyone else think the My Wave video summed up the Superunknown concert experience? >>>-------------------------------> Geoff Kleemola gkleemol@io.uwinnipeg.ca U of Winnipeg Psychology student http://www.uwinnipeg.ca/~gkleemol <-------------------------------<<< On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, MR SEAN M MCELENY wrote: > sgaol wrote > re:The superunknown video is from alive in the superunknown. 120 > minutes is on > re:mtv midnights on sunday. It's a pretty good video! > thank god its a good video unlike a few of their old ones. I get > really ashamed when I watch My Wave and the production on that when > my friends are around.But actually most of their videos are good so > what am i babbling about > ahhhh gotta go eat spagetti > sean > > ------------------------------ From: Geoff Kleemola Subject: Re: an unkind remark... I hope nobody took my message below too seriously. I was just carrying on a thread that was getting to be silly. (see below) The singer of Soundgarden has not killed himself that I am aware of. The guitar playing guy's beard is not real. He bought it at K-mart. ;) >>>-------------------------------> Geoff Kleemola gkleemol@io.uwinnipeg.ca U of Winnipeg Psychology student http://www.uwinnipeg.ca/~gkleemol <-------------------------------<<< On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Matt Harrington wrote: > Didn't the lead singer from Sound gardens kill himself or something? It's > too bad, because that guitar-playing guy would be cool if he'd just shave > his beard. > > >No, sound gardens don't have no other albums. I agree Chris is so hot > >too. He's yummy! > > > >>>>-------------------------------> > > Geoff Kleemola > > gkleemol@io.uwinnipeg.ca > > U of Winnipeg Psychology student > > http://www.uwinnipeg.ca/~gkleemol > ><-------------------------------<<< > > > >On Sun, 3 Dec 1995, seth wrote: > > > >> > >> > > > I saw SG open for GN'R on December 9, 1991, in New York City. At that > >> > > > point, I had never heard of Soundgarden, and I thought they sucked. Go > >> > > > >> > > All you remember about Soundgarden from the show was that they sounded > >> > > like a whole lot of noise. You remember them playing Jesus Christ Pose > >> > > and it being completely unintelligible. You were just anxious to see > >> > > GN'R, as pathetic as that might seem in retrospect. > >> > > >> > do we really need people of this calibre on our list? these > >> > teeny-boppers who just want to stare at axl rose's butt and swoon at the > >> > mention of sweet child of mine and november rain are a sad indictment on > >> > the music industry and society as a whole. sounded like a whole lot of > >> > noise indeed. what did you expect? take your piano and go listen to some > >> > more van halen and motley crue, and don't trouble us *real* soundgarden > >> > fans with your rot. > >> > >> there's no reason to think that i wouldn't listen to soundgarden from > >> time to time, just because i think axl and slash are the definitive > >> musical pair of this era. i mean, that song "black hole sun" just > >> rocks. and chris is so hot. > >> > >> do you know if they have any albums besides _superunknown_? > >> > >> seth > >> > >> > >> ps - to list newcomers, it's a _joke_! > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------ From: He Who Walks Between Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 4 Dec 1995 On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, J.T. Myers wrote: > > The only reason Sliverchair is any popular at all is b/c MTV > >annointed them as the successers of Nivrana just like Bush is the next > >PJ. > > Damn. I thought BUSH was the next Nirvana and Silverchair was the next > Candlebox. I guess I should try to keep up with this MTV stuff a little > more instead of actually listening to music. > --JT No, Bush is the next Candlebox and Silverchair is the next Alice in Chains. (Well maybe i'm stretching that last part a little....) - -j aka Philip Fetters, "He Who Walks Between" aka The Equalist aka Chicka Jackeen, A Livein Thesu (Per Unkn Own). Boom biddy bye bye! ***************************************************************************** "I'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind." -Soundgarden "Hey you gotta pay your dues, before you pay the rent" -Pavement ------------------------------ From: Geoff Kleemola Subject: About Alive... Ok, so I got the new CD+ going last night. But I have a few questions for those on the list who have got it working. Has anyone got the Video Forest figured out yet? I got it to play FOBD, and the band talking about recording, but I don't know how. I think it was the moon that played FOBD, but otherwise... Also, I think I found the game, but again I don't remember how I got there. Is the game that screen with the spoons and thorns and shit at the bottom of the stairway? I noticed if you clicked the spoons they would play guitar sounds. Any thoughts or tips would be appreciated. >>>-------------------------------> Geoff Kleemola gkleemol@io.uwinnipeg.ca U of Winnipeg Psychology student http://www.uwinnipeg.ca/~gkleemol <-------------------------------<<< ------------------------------ From: Geoff Kleemola Subject: CD+ Thanks again Aaron, for smuggling that copy of AITS for me. I got it going yesterday, and it is really cool. It is so fucking cool....words are hardly adequate to decribe it. By the way, I got the CD+ working on my Dad's pentium-75 8megs, SB, Creative 4x CD-ROM, 1meg PCI, 15"mon.. Even with this system the audio has a slight choppiness to it. Not real bad, but... Anybody have tips on improving performance of the CD+? How does it perform on other systems, like a 486dx2-66? >>>-------------------------------> Geoff Kleemola gkleemol@io.uwinnipeg.ca U of Winnipeg Psychology student http://www.uwinnipeg.ca/~gkleemol <-------------------------------<<< ------------------------------ From: He Who Walks Between Subject: Re: an unkind remark... On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Matt Harrington wrote: No, he was actually shot. I think that Lyle Lovett guy that plays bass did it. > Didn't the lead singer from Sound gardens kill himself or something? It's > too bad, because that guitar-playing guy would be cool if he'd just shave > his beard. > > >No, sound gardens don't have no other albums. I agree Chris is so hot > >too. He's yummy! > > > >>>>-------------------------------> > > Geoff Kleemola > > gkleemol@io.uwinnipeg.ca > > U of Winnipeg Psychology student > > http://www.uwinnipeg.ca/~gkleemol > ><-------------------------------<<< > > > >On Sun, 3 Dec 1995, seth wrote: > > > >> > >> > > > I saw SG open for GN'R on December 9, 1991, in New York City. At that > >> > > > point, I had never heard of Soundgarden, and I thought they sucked. Go > >> > > > >> > > All you remember about Soundgarden from the show was that they sounded > >> > > like a whole lot of noise. You remember them playing Jesus Christ Pose > >> > > and it being completely unintelligible. You were just anxious to see > >> > > GN'R, as pathetic as that might seem in retrospect. > >> > > >> > do we really need people of this calibre on our list? these > >> > teeny-boppers who just want to stare at axl rose's butt and swoon at the > >> > mention of sweet child of mine and november rain are a sad indictment on > >> > the music industry and society as a whole. sounded like a whole lot of > >> > noise indeed. what did you expect? take your piano and go listen to some > >> > more van halen and motley crue, and don't trouble us *real* soundgarden > >> > fans with your rot. > >> > >> there's no reason to think that i wouldn't listen to soundgarden from > >> time to time, just because i think axl and slash are the definitive > >> musical pair of this era. i mean, that song "black hole sun" just > >> rocks. and chris is so hot. > >> > >> do you know if they have any albums besides _superunknown_? > >> > >> seth > >> > >> > >> ps - to list newcomers, it's a _joke_! > >> > > > > > > aka Philip Fetters, "He Who Walks Between" aka The Equalist aka Chicka Jackeen, A Livein Thesu (Per Unkn Own). Boom biddy bye bye! ***************************************************************************** "I'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind." -Soundgarden "Hey you gotta pay your dues, before you pay the rent" -Pavement ------------------------------ From: Saint Pedro Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 4 Dec 1995 I couldn't have said it better. On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, J.T. Myers wrote: > > The only reason Sliverchair is any popular at all is b/c MTV > >annointed them as the successers of Nivrana just like Bush is the next > >PJ. > > Damn. I thought BUSH was the next Nirvana and Silverchair was the next > Candlebox. I guess I should try to keep up with this MTV stuff a little > more instead of actually listening to music. > --JT > > ------------------------------ From: MAJOR HEILLY Subject: Re: with all the other pigs... ============================================================================== Aaron ============================================================================== On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, terd wrote: > > Of the eighty-seven (or more) songs recorded in the studio by Led > Zeppelin, only around fourteen can be said to even resemble the blues > work of other artists. Of those fourteen only six can be credited to > musicians other than Zep. And even those have been altered to have the > distinct Led Zeppelin sound. Their first album can be said by some to be > a blues rip-off, but the person who looks beyond that can see that LZ was > influenced by blues and would use that influence in all of their albums. > I probably also don't need to say that a great deal of rock music, as we > know it, was and is influenced by blues, even Soundgarden. Kim has > stated that he was heavily influenced by Black Sabbath which started out > as a blues band called Earth. Anyway, to say that Led Zeppelin did not > write half of their songs is a fallacy. Look to country music for > musicians that rarely write their own songs. > > Matthew. May I suggest that you purchase the Zeppelin Classics CD from Japan. It is 28 (?) of the best songs that Led Zep stole from other people as diverse as Burt Jansch (my fave) to Little Richard (the starting drum part from "Keep on Knocking is the same as Rock -n- Roll) and the Jake Holmes band. I am a HUGE zep fan, but not acknowledging alot of these "samples" is ignorant. *granted, I have yet to find the people resonsible for "Caroseloramba" Ha!* ------------------------------ From: Saint Pedro Subject: Re: Let's not jump to conclusions. On Mon, 4 Dec 1995 stolen.prayers@bbs.cowland.com wrote: > Now, after reading all of this 'Chris Cornell is bi' allegations, I > thought to myself, "That is very interesting.." I mean, I've listened to > Soundgarden for three and a half years and I never suspected a thing. He > supposedly offered to/actually did give someone ah.. ahem.. ummm... > well, I'll just be blunt here.. blowjob.. now come on.. If Chris Cornell > is bisexual that's all well and good, and it's not gonna change how I > look at him and how I listen to Soundgarden.. whatever floats Chris's > boat.. but seriously, we have to keep his inane sense of humor in mind. > We've all seen Chris on TV, read his interviews.. Now HOW MANY of you > can see Chris offer someone a blowjob and be SERIOUS? I.. it... just > weird... I can't see it. If he was serious, that's great for him, he's > getting more than I ever have. :) But I can't really honestly see Chris > Cornell do that and be serious. I mean, at first I thought to myself, > upon hearing this, "Whoa.. well... maybe males who find Chris attractive > don't have to be so depressed now.." you know, whatever... but then I > realized... when is he serious? I mean outside of his songs? He's > always joking around and stuff. Sorry but that's my opinion.. you either > agree or disagree, in fact you probably disagree, but I cannot for my > life see him do something like that and be totally serious. I dunno, I'm > open to suggestions, what does everyone else think? > > > I think that IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER. Chris Cornell is a very good musician. what he does in his personal life is none of my fucking bizness! it's just homophobic paraniona that is fueling this bullshit over the net. ------------------------------ From: Saint Pedro Subject: Re: shirts Matt- you're twisted On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, curtis wayne swedran wrote: > I bet those pants could pretty well get up and walk by themselves, huh Matt? > > Curt > > On Fri, 1 Dec 1995, terd wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri, 1 Dec 1995 S0undgardn@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Ok I have a question. It's really stupid but i've gotta know if there is > > > anyone like me.I wear soundgarden shirts everyday of my life and I have been > > > for the past year and a half. Does anybody else do this? I have 27 shirts > > > does anybody have more than that? Thanks for listening! > > > Lisa > > > > > No, but I have a pair of pants that I found at a Soundgarden show that I > > have been wearing everyday of my life for the last two years. > > > > Matthew. > > > ------------------------------ From: Saint Pedro Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 4 Dec 1995 On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, He Who Walks Between wrote: > On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, J.T. Myers wrote: > > > > The only reason Sliverchair is any popular at all is b/c MTV > > >annointed them as the successers of Nivrana just like Bush is the next > > >PJ. > > > > Damn. I thought BUSH was the next Nirvana and Silverchair was the next > > Candlebox. I guess I should try to keep up with this MTV stuff a little > > more instead of actually listening to music. > > --JT > No, Bush is the next Candlebox and Silverchair is the next Alice in > Chains. (Well maybe i'm stretching that last part a little....) > -j alice in chains are too good to be dupilcated. plus, PJ is much more a MTV brand band than AIC. anyways, SLIVERCHAIR JUSTS SUCKS!!!!!! > > aka Philip Fetters, "He Who Walks Between" aka The Equalist > aka Chicka Jackeen, A Livein Thesu (Per Unkn Own). Boom biddy bye bye! > ***************************************************************************** > "I'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind." -Soundgarden > "Hey you gotta pay your dues, before you pay the rent" -Pavement > > ------------------------------ From: MAJOR HEILLY Subject: Re: CD+ I humbly reply to your thank you with, "No big deal". I really think that, if given the chance, more people from the list should get together. It was interesting to see what another HUGE fan was like. My only regret was not going to the Headstone's concert with you. As for Soundgarden CD+, the Canadian Border patrolman threatened to confinscate my "American filth" and was about to charge me with attempted corruption of the pure Canada, but then I noted that Quebec had done that long ago. I also find it ironic that as a fan I took the time to smuggle (Ha!) the CD across the border, and yet have not actually seen any of the CD+. How bitter my life. I un-thank the Canadian clubs, beer stores (not liquor stores, BEER stores), the Winnepeg Jets and Chicago Blackhawks, and the random women I brought home in the process for making my call to you so late (or early in the morning). I wish we had more time. So once again, If anyone on this list has a chance to see someone else on the list, by all means go. It was the best part of my whole trip. ============================================================================== Aaron the worlds most elegible bachelor if money didn't count. ============================================================================== * * ! \_/ ------------------------------ From: harrimt5@wfu.edu (Matt Harrington) Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 4 Dec 1995 Maybe this is the only reason they're popular, but I still think the music's good (with the exception of Candlebox). Sounds kinda like Soundgarden to me... >> The only reason Sliverchair is any popular at all is b/c MTV >>annointed them as the successers of Nivrana just like Bush is the next >>PJ. > >Damn. I thought BUSH was the next Nirvana and Silverchair was the next >Candlebox. I guess I should try to keep up with this MTV stuff a little >more instead of actually listening to music. > --JT > > ------------------------------ From: harrimt5@wfu.edu (Matt Harrington) Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 4 Dec 1995 First of all, it's just your opinion that Silverchair sucks. Second of all, I hardly think that PJ is an MTV band when they don't even make videos. -Matt > > >On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, He Who Walks Between wrote: > >> On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, J.T. Myers wrote: >> >> > > The only reason Sliverchair is any popular at all is b/c MTV >> > >annointed them as the successers of Nivrana just like Bush is the next >> > >PJ. >> > >> > Damn. I thought BUSH was the next Nirvana and Silverchair was the next >> > Candlebox. I guess I should try to keep up with this MTV stuff a little >> > more instead of actually listening to music. >> > --JT >> No, Bush is the next Candlebox and Silverchair is the next Alice in >> Chains. (Well maybe i'm stretching that last part a little....) >> -j > >alice in chains are too good to be dupilcated. plus, PJ is much more a >MTV brand band than AIC. > >anyways, SLIVERCHAIR JUSTS SUCKS!!!!!! > >> >> aka Philip Fetters, "He Who Walks Between" aka The Equalist >> aka Chicka Jackeen, A Livein Thesu (Per Unkn Own). Boom biddy bye bye! >> ***************************************************************************** >> "I'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind." -Soundgarden >> "Hey you gotta pay your dues, before you pay the rent" -Pavement >> >> > > ------------------------------ From: Geoff Kleemola Subject: Re: CD+ Yeah, It was a cool meeting. For those of you on the list who might want to know, Aaron calls me at 9:00am sunday morning..."This is Aaron, I got your CD+...", "Ok, I'm on my way.." I go down there, and we go out to his buddy's car to get the disc, and we end up hanging out for a half hour listening to SG songs that I have not heard. I got a glimpse of and listen to, SOMMS, Stolen Prayers, and Hater. It was the highlight of my day (the meeting), besides seeing AITS on my computer. >>>-------------------------------> Geoff Kleemola gkleemol@io.uwinnipeg.ca U of Winnipeg Psychology student http://www.uwinnipeg.ca/~gkleemol <-------------------------------<<< On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, MAJOR HEILLY wrote: > I humbly reply to your thank you with, "No big deal". I really > think that, if given the chance, more people from the list should get > together. It was interesting to see what another HUGE fan was like. My > only regret was not going to the Headstone's concert with you. As for > Soundgarden CD+, the Canadian Border patrolman threatened to confinscate > my "American filth" and was about to charge me with attempted corruption > of the pure Canada, but then I noted that Quebec had done that long ago. > I also find it ironic that as a fan I took the time to smuggle > (Ha!) the CD across the border, and yet have not actually seen any of the > CD+. How bitter my life. I un-thank the Canadian clubs, beer stores (not > liquor stores, BEER stores), the Winnepeg Jets and Chicago Blackhawks, > and the random women I brought home in the process for making my call to > you so late (or early in the morning). I wish we had more time. > So once again, If anyone on this list has a chance to see someone > else on the list, by all means go. It was the best part of my whole trip. > > ============================================================================== > Aaron the worlds most elegible bachelor if money didn't count. > ============================================================================== > * * > ! > \_/ > ------------------------------ From: Geoff Kleemola Subject: She Likes Surprises Does anybody have the lyrics to She Likes Surprises figured out? Or if anybody has a start, I can usually get a handle. Chris Mackenzie, where are you when we need you? (you are the Official Soundgarden lyric decrypter) Thanks. >>>-------------------------------> Geoff Kleemola gkleemol@io.uwinnipeg.ca U of Winnipeg Psychology student http://www.uwinnipeg.ca/~gkleemol <-------------------------------<<< ------------------------------ From: Tonerkins@aol.com Subject: Can you say homophobic? In a message dated 95-12-04 12:47:21 EST, LENARTA@warp.msoe.edu (LENART ANDREW W) writes: > I recently read allegations in Rolling Stone magazine that some > members in SG were homosexuals, and that this was reflected in > the lyrics of a few Superunknown tracks. I know that Chris is > married and everything, so can anyone set me "straight" on this > topic? I don't want to sound like a gay-basher, but news of this > kind is somewhat unsettling, considering that I have been an SG fan > for many years. Settle down Lenart. Why would it make a difference to you being a fan or not being a fan if it were true that one or any of the guys in Soundgarden were bi and or gay??? Does it make them less of a musician?? If Chris wrote a lyric with a man in mind as opposed to a woman and you sang along to the record does that make you queer???? What they do in the privacy of their bedrooms is not our business nor is it an issue to judge their music by. And Curt, did you hear the one about Elvis at Burger King??? Or that Courtney had Kurt killed??? Or maybe someone's second cousin once removed knew Kim when he was still a woman????? C'mon guys it shouldn't be an issue! Just enjoy the music that Soundgarden so magnificently bestows on us. ------------------------------ From: "Dan \"Pop-tart\" Hearsch" Subject: Re: web page advice needed could you maybe make available some of the applications needed to use the sound clips or movie clips or whatver you put up? i ahve been looking for a long time for an m-peg viewer and stuff like that, but i can't find one anywhere that works with windows 3.11. which would mean that i think you should put up some movie files or stuff like that there. that would be cool, but only if it were not too much trouble. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: web page advice needed From: seth Okay, what I've heard so far is that it would be cool if I were to include on the next revision of the Web page: 1) video/movie clips in MPEG format 2) sound clips in RealAudio format 3) a chat room using GlobalChat or WebChat 4) a photo album 5) the illustrated and detailed history of Soundgarden 6) a bottom-of-the-page imagemap for easier navigation 7) screen shots from the CD+ for those of you outside the USA but not including Geoff 8) a _searchable_ mailing list archive 9) my real picture in the Member Directory I don't know about that last one, but I think the others can all be accomplished. I plan to have the new "look" all done by December 18. Some of the other stuff may take me a bit longer. If any of you have anything at all that you'd be willing to contribute, by all means let me know. I don't think I've ever turned down an offer. I know there's quite a bit of wacky Soundgarden paraphenalia out there, and I'd appreciate it if you'd share it with the world. Please continue to send me your suggestions -- remember, the Web page can only get better as it becomes more and more comprehensive. seth ------------------------------ From: Bug Subject: Re: Superunknown - the video > re:mtv midnights on sunday. It's a pretty good video! > thank god its a good video unlike a few of their old ones. I get > really ashamed when I watch My Wave and the production on that when > my friends are around.But actually most of their videos are good so > what am i babbling about Wasn't the My Wave video filmed at their concert here in Calgary? I thought it was, and maybe thats why it wasn't very good. ------------------------------ From: "Dan \"Pop-tart\" Hearsch" Subject: Re:CHRIS AND EDDIE ARE THE DYNAMIC DUO!! On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, MISS DANIELLE G WEGELIN wrote: > i didn't mean to imply that NIN is terrible or anything because of > thier fans...i just thought i was ironic. > --dani > > don't take that as a flame or anything, it wasn't meant that way. i just think it's wrong to classify bands according to their fans, or people according to the music they listen to. except of course those who listen to country western type stuff. it's okay to stereotype them. ;') ------------------------------ From: "Dan \"Pop-tart\" Hearsch" Subject: Re: Louder Than Live CD Promo On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, curtis wayne swedran wrote: > Okay everybody, I know this is going to come to a huge shock to a lot of > people, but I think there is some truth to this message. I am as as big > a fan of Chris Cornell as the next person and I don't have anything > against gay people but I've heard from a few different reliable sources > that he was at least bi. When SG first started out, and they were > playing in rinky-dink little clubs like all bands must do at some point, > they apparently played here in Bloomington, IN and I guess C either > offered to or did have oral sex w/ some guy. I know it sounds pretty > flimsy but the guy was good friends w/ a brother of a lifelong friend of > mine. Take from it what you will, that's the way it was told to me. > > Curt > > P.S. Thanks alot to whoever posted the meaning behind "I Awake" it > really made my day. > > Curt > > On Fri, 1 Dec 1995 SHROOMGRL1@aol.com wrote: > > > Hmmm...does anyone know what was up with Chris in "Louder Than Live" > > during the song "I Awake"? Why was he molesting that guy from the audience? > > And why was > > Jason Everman humping Chris at the end of the song? For a long time after > > watching that video, my friends and I had this theory that Chris was gay (or > > at least bi). He had married Susan because he wanted a cover up, and that's > > why they never had children. And maybe there was a little something more > > going on between Chris and Jason than just the music, but it went wrong... > > which was a reason that "Jason just did not work out". I realize now of > > course that our theory was totally ridiculous, but I've always wondered about > > that video. Anyone have an explanation? Were they just doing it for the > > shock value? I'm still kinda confused (which is not at all unusual for me). > > Suzie > > "Nameless horror we call love. I was only laughing... HA! I was laughing!!" > > ~My Life With > > the Thrill Kill Kult > > > > > THERE IS NOTHING GAY ABOUT CHRIS CORNELL, KIM THAYIL, BEN SHEPPARD OR MATT CAMERON. Pat Smear is another story altogether ------------------------------ From: Geoff Kleemola Subject: Re: Superunknown - the video As far as I know, it was filmed in Calgary and possibly Edmonton too. Still, no matter where you saw the show, they played the same movie! Chris was wearing the same fucking shirt when they played in Winnipeg a few days later!! >>>-------------------------------> Geoff Kleemola gkleemol@io.uwinnipeg.ca U of Winnipeg Psychology student http://www.uwinnipeg.ca/~gkleemol <-------------------------------<<< > > Wasn't the My Wave video filmed at their concert here in Calgary? I thought it > was, and maybe thats why it wasn't very good. > ------------------------------ From: Chris Mackenzie Subject: Re: Superunknown - the video On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Geoff Kleemola wrote: > As far as I know, it was filmed in Calgary and possibly Edmonton too. > Still, no matter where you saw the show, they played the same movie! > Chris was wearing the same fucking shirt when they played in Winnipeg a > few days later!! They played Winnipeg a few days earlier. Calgary was the last date on the tour, go check your concert T-shirt and see for yourself! > > >>>-------------------------------> > Geoff Kleemola > gkleemol@io.uwinnipeg.ca > U of Winnipeg Psychology student > http://www.uwinnipeg.ca/~gkleemol > <-------------------------------<<< > > > > Wasn't the My Wave video filmed at their concert here in Calgary? I thought it > > was, and maybe thats why it wasn't very good. > > > ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 1 Issue 120] ****************************************