From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 22 Apr 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 03:44:33 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Monday, 22 Apr 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: request mag Re: Listening Strategies Re: Re: Spoonman Question Re: Spoonman Question Listening strategies IMPORTANT!!!!!!!!! Midi files...... 30 DAYS!!!!! Me too. Re: Midi files...... I've heard it too...... Comments Re: DOTU release in Brisbane, Australia... a surefire toe-tapper... Re: okey.. okey.. CC poll the ugly truth just loves to give it away... something bad has happened!!!!! Selfish about Soundgarden Digest 4/21 Thinking... psychotika Re: Dream thread... The First Listen Re: the ugly truth just loves to give it away... *finally*!!! cc unconscious Spoonman/herion, PN single, etc Re: Spoonman/herion Re: cc unconscious new Soundgarden Re: Spoonman/heroin ------------------------------------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: request mag MA>Hi all...Someone on the list mentioned a big article about Sg that was in MA>Request magazine, Oct. of 94....I've looked everywhere and can't find MA>it. You can't miss it. It's got Chris on the front...and on the table of contents page (with a GREAT picture of the fork), and the whole middle is filled with Soundgarden and Chris. Nothingman -It is the ultimate Soungarden magazine! ------------------------------ From: Gregg Subject: Re: Listening Strategies At 09:56 PM 4/20/96 +0000, Karen.Hester@vuw.ac.nz wrote: >How are you going to listen to the new album when it arrives? Don't >slap it on, whatever the conditions: the first listening >experience is important and shades all following hearings, so I want >advice on tactics (maps, how you'll deploy the toy soldiers....). > >Do you think Soundgarden works best loud and filling the room, or with >headphones to hear all the details? It's cool just to listen to it loud and let it take your ears by storm. Then, maybe when you're on a trip or something, you break out the Walkman/Discman, and THEN you hear the little details, so you like it even more. My favorite thing that probably goes unnoticed by a lot of people has to be when a drummer is doing a fill or playing on the ride symbol, the *tst* *tst* *tst* *tst* that can be heard from him stepping on the hi-hat pedal. It becomes an instinct. Listenfor it on JCP especially. You'll know it when you hear it. >Do you clear everyone else out of the house for a personal experience or >gather a group of friends for a communal celebration of SG? I usually listen to it by myself, and if it gets interrupted, no big deal. I just go back and try to remember where I left off. Sometimes (if it's the first disc I get of a certain artist) I'll listen to tracks that are played on the radio and that I know I like, than gradually ease into the other songs. >Do you read lyrics first to know what songs are about or let them filter >through along with the music? If I have nothing else to do while listening, I read the lyrics to a song while that song is playing. >Since the album will have lots of tracks and be long, will you listen to >it the entire way through or break it up (into 'record sides')? I will probably listen to it while I'm doing my homework, so I'll most likely end up listening to the whole thing in one shot. >Are growing-on-you albums always the best or are your favourite albums >and musicians ones that/who affect you immediately? I likes 'em all. Gregg ------------------------------ From: Gregg Subject: Re: At 11:03 AM 4/20/96 -0400, Erin Blue wrote: >DOES ANYONE OUT THERE IN LIST LAND HEAR THE HATE IN SG SONGS?? WHEN I LISTEN >I HEAR ALL THIS HATE.I LOVE IT. SONG LIKE FOURTH OF JULY,UNCOVERD,UGLY >TRUTH,GUN,AND STUFF LIKE MAILMAN.WE HATE LOVE WE LOVE TO HATE. >/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >LISTEN TO BLACK SABBATH NOW >////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > I hear hate, yeah. Mailman is a perfect example, but I think ugly truth is about not wanting to deal with something that doesn't feel good to do, gun is a "the government is full of shit" song, and I have no idea what 4th of July is about. I also hear a lot of other stuff. I hear the compassion in "Like Suicide" (not a song about killing your self, a song about a stork (?) that rammed into one of Cornell's windows and died), The pain suffered by the narrator in "Mind Riot", the sympathy for the dying enviroment in "Hands All Over". If you look deep enough (which doesn't have to be too deep), you could see that SG's songs are about a lot more than just hate. Gregg > ------------------------------ From: Gregg Subject: Re: Spoonman Question At 05:16 PM 4/20/96 -0500, AARON BEYER wrote: >Does anyone out there agree with me that spoonman has Heroin use >overtones in it. The song has some support in it and the cd single case >does have two bent spoons in the inside cover. And didn't Chris do heroin >as a kid? Of course the two bent-up spoons could just be spoons that Artis fucked up while he was playing. Like when guitarists bust strings, drummers break sticks, etc. Gregg ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: Re: Spoonman Question Hey, I didn't think of the bent spoon thing. Herion users do bend the spoons to use them easier, but like was already mentioned, Chris said "there are no herion songs". Geoff On Sun, 21 Apr 1996, Gregg wrote: > At 05:16 PM 4/20/96 -0500, AARON BEYER wrote: > > >Does anyone out there agree with me that spoonman has Heroin use > >overtones in it. The song has some support in it and the cd single case > >does have two bent spoons in the inside cover. And didn't Chris do heroin > >as a kid? > > Of course the two bent-up spoons could just be spoons that Artis fucked up > while he was playing. Like when guitarists bust strings, drummers break > sticks, > etc. > Gregg > > ------------------------------ From: sean@ramoth.unl.edu (Sean McCarthy) Subject: Listening strategies Hey All- This is a real pondersome question-How should I listen to this great new album.. My first thought is to buy the album a week before it comes out on CD. Best reason for this is because simply our beloved house, which I have lived in since August will be no more, we have to move out on the 15th!! So, naturally, I HAVE to have a final bash, which will probably mean grilled steak, shrimp, a LOT of alcohol and Soundgarden's new one on out turntable. But how do I listen to it? Do I start listening to Louder Than Love, then Badmotor, then Superunknown.. or do I satisfy my Soundgarden fix by immediately tearing into it? Only thing that worries me is that with most Soundgarden albums really grew on me, I'm afraid I'm just going to play this one to death and burn out on it. On the other hand, all I listened to in 9th grade was 'Louder Than Love' and 'Blue Sky Mining'-and I STILL love both albums. Whatever the case, it has to be on vinal, it seems appropriate that I listen to their new album in a place that has many cool memories, before I have to move back with my mom until I can get the cashola for a lease and some furniature in a new studio apartment or a house with a couple of other cool guys or gals.. Any suggestions will be welcome :) Peace! Sean ------------------------------ From: Chris Kreidl Subject: IMPORTANT!!!!!!!!! Well it's not that important, but I want to know what EVERYSONE'S fav SG song is. If you wanna tell, email me back privately, or to list if you want, but I know I wouldnt want to be downloading loads of short messages about a fav song. Chris ##################### #####___________________##### #####_| Chris Kreidl |_##### #####_| kreidl@newrock.com |_##### #####_|www.tripod.com/~GoatSniff/ |_##### ########################################### ################################################# #### #### #### .... .... #### #### .... .... #### #### #### #### ^ #### #### ^^^ #### #### #### #### _ _ #### #### |_ _| #### ##### |____________| ##### ###### ###### #################### ##### ------------------------------ From: Chris Kreidl Subject: Midi files...... I'm writing this for 2 reasons. #1. If you have any cool midis that aren't listed below, send 'em over!!! #2. I have more midi's for you all. I now have ___SONG_TITLE_____|______BAND_NAME___________| | | Black Hole Sun | Soundgarden | My Wave | Soundgarden | Stairway to Heaven| Led Zeppelin | Dead Souls | Nine Inch Nails | Head Like a Hole | Nine Inch Nails | Closer | Nine Inch Nails | About a Girl | Nirvana | Come as You Are | Nirvana | One | Metallica | Sanitarium | Metallica | Ode to my Family | Cranberries | When I come Around| Green Day | __________________|__________________________| If you want ANY of those, email me and I'll rush them out to ya!! Chris ##################### #####___________________##### #####_| Chris Kreidl |_##### #####_| kreidl@newrock.com |_##### #####_|www.tripod.com/~GoatSniff/ |_##### ########################################### ################################################# #### #### #### .... .... #### #### .... .... #### #### #### #### ^ #### #### ^^^ #### #### #### #### _ _ #### #### |_ _| #### ##### |____________| ##### ###### ###### #################### ##### ------------------------------ From: sean@ramoth.unl.edu (Sean McCarthy) Subject: 30 DAYS!!!!! Hey All- Its on! its on, hot damn! One more month! Another problem for me with this new album, gotta get it on record, because it needs to be listened before I leave my house...I gotta buy the tape, because dubs don't do it justice, and of course, the CD. 30 days can't wait! Laters Peace Sean ------------------------------ From: Ross Filipek Subject: Me too. I called X103 in Indianapolis on Friday night and asked them to play "Pretty Noose." You were right, Jamie. Matt kicks ass on that song. The fills coming out of the verses are mighty tough. I went to a frat party last night. The band was really good. I asked the singer if they knew any SG, but he said they didn't. However, he put _Ultramega OK_ in the CD player when the band took a break between their sets. It was really hot and crowded and everyone was tanked. I'm still sort of woozy. Just thought I'd share that with you all. :) Ross "If you were mine to give I might throw it away." --C. Cornell ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Midi files...... From: seth > Black Hole Sun | Soundgarden | > My Wave | Soundgarden | I've added these MIDI files (3 different version of BHS and one of MW) to the multimedia section of the SG page. seth ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Subject: I've heard it too...... Radio Triple J played The Cure's new single and Soundgarden's "Pretty Noose" on Friday night. "Pretty Noose" is Pretty Damn Good! Jamie, your analogy of it on Friday was spot on. The DJ commented that he's heard all of 'Down on the Upside', and that if we thought 'Superunknown' was good, JUST WAIT until we hear the new album: we'll love it. Of course we've all heard all of that already, but I tell you, hearing a new SG song after so long was enough to get me excited about being able to buy another SG album soon all over again!! :-) And I was even lucky enough to scramble quickly to find a blank tape to record "Pretty Noose" from the radio. Now I can listen to it to my heart's content, until 21 May...... Cheers! Carolyn the Metal Flower ******************************************** Take the word and pass it on.....Soundgarden I'm on a cloud and I won't come down......Tumbleweed ******************************************** ------------------------------ From: dao5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Comments Everyone, I would just like to exult once again in the fact that I am a pround owner of the somms cd. Oh yeah Chicka I hate radio stations too, the local "alternative rock" station tries to tell me that the fucker from weezer is a good song writer. I haven't heard pretty noose yet, and I probably won't. They just want to play that new fucking hootie song, or some alannis crap. There is one cool DJ that plays some totd and sg but he's hardly ever there. As for the sg becoming overpalyed thing I seriously doubt it. Consider this, once the new chili peppers song come out, it was played on the radio constantly. When the new hootie, song came out it's being played constantly. Just the way the Tabitha Soren was talking down to sg on MTV news for making they're album so dark. If anyone else who had a number one video was coming out with a new album. They would be kissing they're asses. It's plainly obvious when you think about the fact that we have to beg djs to play it. We don't have to beg anyone to hear the new cranberries new song, and superunk was a more popular album. Clown ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Subject: Re: DOTU release in Brisbane, Australia... >On Sat, 20 Apr 1996, John Grieves wrote: >> I can't speak for other places in Australia, but according to a record store >> here in Brisbane (Skinny's), Down on the Upside is supposed to be released >> on the 20th of May, NOT the 21st...has anyone else heard of such details? >> Jackhammer. At 04:01 AM 20/04/96 -0500, Geoff (onefellswoop) wrote: >Well, bu the time it is the 20th in Australia, it will be the 21st in >North America. :) >Geoff I haven't yet caught up on all my mail, so someone else has probably already pointed this out - but Geoff, you're wrong on the date bit. When it's the 20th in Australia it's only the 19th in North America. Sorry! :-) Carolyn the Mushy Fellow ************************************************** You know what your name is & you know when you were born, but everything inbetween is just a haze. You remember you got three dollars that buys you a bottle of port - - to be sure, these are the good old days........Beasts Of Bourbon ************************************************** ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: a surefire toe-tapper... I heard pretty noose on the weekend thanks to seth and his support of the u.s postal system, and it fuckin' rocks. I listened to it about twenty five times over the weekend, and I am listening to it again right now :) the song, to me, is kind of like spoonman (also a first single) in that it's focus is more on rhythm than chris' vocals, and that the rhythm is hard to get into on the first listen (even though it kicked ass the first time around), but it is probably a little slower than spoonman. there is *so* much going on in the song, with everyone doing such a fantastic job with their instruments, but still not showing off or ruining the song itself. the start is a little like what the hell have I by aic, but moves away from that sound pretty quickly. there are a lot of toms going on at the start, and the guitar tone kim has got crushes me. the chorus has ben playing this riff which gets faster in the second half, which surprises me, 'cause I didn't know that he could play so fast. maybe it sounds so good because he is *so* tight with matt's drums :) there are also all these background vocal parts going around that really add to the huge fullness of the chorus and the whole song itself. the instrumental in the middle is cool, with kim doing some wild stuff, some of which sounds like a guitar dying a horrible death. you can talk about how billy corgan can layer guitar tracks, but as for self production and the amount of detail they have put into the guitar for this song, kim and chris are going to take that crown right of billy's little bald head. seth was right about matt, in that he goes wild during the lead break (I just heard a noise in the background that *can't* be a guitar). he sounds like he is playing all the toms and cymbals simultaneously, with more than his fair share of arms and hands (not to mention his killer foot on the bass pedal, which works entirely without respect to what the rest of his limbs are doing). like I said earlier, self production has ceratinly not harmed their sound, because in the middle of kim's lead break, you can hear this excellent from the ride cymbal that just cuts through everything. after the lead break and chorus comes this odd little middle eight, which knowing soundgarden isn't eight bars at all (and I don't care what you got...I don't care what you need...I don't want anything), and it sounds really cool. then the chrous gets another run through, and then the distortion cuts out and chris is left to sing the half the chorus through alone. then the song ends with a bit of a buttrock sort of end, in a way that they don't normally end their songs. all in all, a great single from what will undoubtably be a great album :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Subject: Re: okey.. From: seth > That, and.. is > it like definite that there will be a Pretty Noose single released (for > our buying pleasure =) on Wednesday? and will it be an import or a US > single? if you can tell me, thanks I've been wondering this myself. Has anyone asked any record stores if there is actually a single being released? All I've heard is that "Pretty Noose" will begin *airplay* on Wednesday (not that it hasn't already). seth ------------------------------ From: overfloater@bbs.cowland.com Subject: okey.. It's me (foreshocks) so anyone who wants to get a hold of me should take note that my email address is overfloater@bbs.cowland.com =) Anyway, I went to my friend Larry's house today and listened to those Soundgarden midis.. My Wave is my personal favorite.. they're awesome =) I love midis =) Everyone should d/l them and listen to them =) That, and.. is it like definite that there will be a Pretty Noose single released (for our buying pleasure =) on Wednesday? and will it be an import or a US single? if you can tell me, thanks foreshocks I mean overfloater.. whoops =) ------------------------------ From: Heather Aston Subject: CC poll This may sound strange, but if I came across CC unconcious, I'd probably just look through his wallet. You learn so much about a person from that. ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: the ugly truth just loves to give it away... On Sun, 21 Apr 1996, Heather Aston wrote: > This may sound strange, but if I came across CC unconcious, I'd probably just > look through his wallet. You learn so much about a person from that. and you would just leave him there once you had pawed through his wallet? you can learn so much about a person from their posts to the somms list. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Chris Kreidl Subject: something bad has happened!!!!! I'm sure how most of you know how I have been giving out midis, well if you still have those SG ones I gave whoever asked, will you mail them back to me?? My Hard Drive crashed earilier and I had to spen a few hours fixing everything up, and lost a few of my midis, I lost ALL BOTH of my Sg's, my Nirvana's, and the one cranberries midi I had. So If I gave you those Sg midis, could you send me back a copy of each???? Chris ------------------------------ From: OponFam@aol.com Subject: Selfish about Soundgarden Maritza I know exactly what you mean. I did mention very similar feelings awhile back, but nobody responded. I worry too about Soundgarden becoming more and more popular and thus less and less accessible to their old fans. I"ve been a fan since just after the release of Louder Than Love and have seen them mostly at smaller venues, which I like because its so intimate and I think the band is more relaxed. As bands get more popular they're forced to play arenas and the concerts start to lose something special. I saw it happen with the Grateful Dead after Touch of Grey. All of a sudden they were so popular that concerts got so crowded there was more trouble and violence, which was unheard of before they got popular, and it became impossible to get anywhere near the band because of the necessary increase in security. I don't care if its selfish, I want to keep Soundgarden all to myself (and all you great list members of course). Besides, they hate all the shit that comes with being super popular and it seems like they've always balked when they're "on the verge of greatness" (which is what the media has said after their last several releases, but it never happens). But I'm running on. I'm glad to hear someone else express these concerns. Kathie ------------------------------ From: OponFam@aol.com Subject: Digest 4/21 About Knights of the Soundtable: I've been a member of the fanclub for several years now and have found it to be very inconsistent. I haven't gotten anything from them in a long time, but I moved and never sent more $ so that may be why. Anyway, I got the welcome package and then every once in a while would get an update or a post card, but truthfully I was disappointed and certainly wouldn't send them the money they're asking for now. I think with Seth's web page and this list we get all the SG info we need. Just my opinion. Listening Strategies: I think this was a great question. I like to listen to a whole album with headphones first. I have to be alone, and listen with my eyes closed to get the full effect. Then I listen again while reading the lyrics. Then I usually study the lyrics some more, with the album playing in the background. After that I'll pretty much have it down and will generally only have time to listen while I'm driving. As you can probably tell, lyrics are important to me and I think Soundgarden has some of the best around. Gotta go. Kathie ------------------------------ From: overfloater@bbs.cowland.com Subject: Thinking... I can remember when the My Wave video came out... it premiered in the middle of the week, but the weekend before it premiered, MTV played it on Headbangers Ball.... so watch 120 minutes tonight.. all the radio stations are playing Pretty Noose, MTV just might jump in too... and MTV's played videos before they premiered before, so they might this time.. I'm not absolutely sure if they will, but I'm gunna watch just in case.. and if they do by some small chance play the pretty noose vid tonight, I'll post a detailed description of the video. foreshocks ------------------------------ From: j_crocke@unity.ncsu.edu Subject: psychotika does anyone know anything about the band Psychotika?.. they're comin into town Monday night and i wanna know if i should check them out, after all, they are playin on Lolla this summer. jeremy ------------------------------ From: John Patrick Freeman Subject: Re: Dream thread... Hi just had a kind of lame dream of Sg related a couple of nights ago. I was at some record store and I was looking at Pearl Jam bootlegs. Before you say 'hey this isn't Sg related', I was looking at the song selection list on one of the PJ bootlegs and one the songs is a cover of Beyond the Wheel. So I listened to the cover and it was pretty good but the song was actually Mood for trouble with Vedder singing of course. And of course even in my dream state the Sg version was still beter. I think the SG mailing groups and all their threads of which song is better has effected my dreams On Fri, 19 Apr 1996 ShRooMGrLz@aol.com wrote: > Yah, I know... "Shroom, why are you starting a new thread NOW when we've > got thirty million going? Where were you with this a couple weeks ago when > we had nothing to talk about?" Okokok... just shoot me. Actually, the idea > for this thread came from Marianne. She was discussing a cool SG dream she > had, and that started me thinking (damn little brain cells won't die no > matter how hard I try to kill 'em off). Anyone out there care to share any > groovy SG related dreams? Not the wet dreams (of course), and I'm sure there > have been MANY of those. You can e-mail the nasty ones directly to me ;)... > But if you've ever traded shoelaces with Matt, or put lipstick on Chris > (which could be a wet dream. Ummm... never mind...) while unconscious... > post it!! Unfortunately I don't dream about Chris all that often. Strange, > isn't it? I usually end up dreaming about Jerry Cantrell. I swear... that > guy shows up in my dreams more often than I do. I did dream about both Chris > and Jerry one night. So here it is: > > I arrived at my old high school one morning, ready for classes. Then I > noticed that instead of clothes, I was wearing this penguin costume. It was > huge, and I had little flippers, and the penguins mouth was open, and that's > where my face was. Anyway... I went into the commons (lunchroom), and I just > KNEW that everyone was going to laugh at me. I thought they were going to > massacre me for wearing this stupid costume to school. So I go into the > commons, and everyone turns and looks at me. It gets real quiet, and I'm > waiting for them to start laughing. Then everyone comes up to me and starts > telling me how cool it is. They say how they wish THEY had thought to wear a > penguin suit first. It was weird. So anyway... suddenly I'm out on the > football field, and the marching band is practicing. I notice that they're > all wearing Ronald Reagan masks, which I think is odd, but I don't question > it. I'm weaving inbetween them while they're marching, and I end up close to > the school doors. Then I notice that the tuba players are Jerry and Chris!! > They're wearing the band uniforms, and instead of the usual band hats, > they've got on stocking hats that have looong tails, and balls on the end. > And they're carrying their tubas. Jerry is like "That's a COOL penguin > costume Shroom!!" I said "Ummm... thanks Jerry." Then Chris says "Hey > Shroom... we're having a concert tonight after the football game. Would you > get up onstage and jam with us in that COOL penguin suit?" I was like > "Whaaaaaaat? Ummm... sure, I guess so. But I don't play any cool > instruments." Chris says "Well, you can play your trumpet. It'll be > cool!!." So I say yes, and suddenly either polka or tejano music starts > playing. Then Chris and Jerry dropped their tubas and start doing a kind of > cha-cha-cha dance with each other... > Then I woke up. That was a strange dream. Ok... maybe this is a stupid > thread. It's the drugs... I swear!! Ummm... yah... > Shroom > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Check out my very own Shroom web page at.. > http://www................................ > Umm... wait... I forgot. I don't have a web page. > Ok, just close your eyes and pretend. > Ummmm... never mind. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Subject: The First Listen Look out Soundgardeners, Carolyn is in a chatty mood today....... I agree with Kathie - whoever raised the question about how you go about listening to an album for the first time raised an interesting topic. I've enjoyed reading the responses so far, and I confess I fall somewhere between Jackhammer (who listens to music first, lyrics last - through the stereo, loud, while he's doing other work) and Kathie (who places high emphasis on lyrics - through the headphones, eyes closed, with no interruptions). Recently I had the chance for my first listen to Kyle Petty, Son of Richard. It was when "Home Alive" was first released, and the radio station I listened to announced that they were going to play the SG song from it. I knew that it would be KP they would play, which I had never heard, so I set about waiting......waiting....until they played it (2 hours later). I was home alone late on a Sunday night. For that song, I cranked up the stereo, lay on my back on the lounge room floor, eyes closed, and just soaked it all in. I loved it. That's the best way to hear new music, with your eyes closed (like Kathie suggests), so you can FEEL it as well as just hear it. Friday night when I heard the radio DJ announce that Pretty Noose was coming up, I didn't have such luck. I was at another friend's house, and when it came on I turned up the music, but couldn't do as I did before to soak it all in because my friend kept talking to me. I had to wait until it came on again last night to listen to it properly. When I get the new album (the day I start my new job), I will take the CD home, and (in my new house in a new town) I will put it in the CD player, and a blank tape to record it (for my car), turn up the volume, and play the whole album through. Probably while doing exciting things like cooking tea. :-( If I have some spare time to not do housework, I will sit down and read through the CD jacket cover - picking out lyrics I like. After the first listen I will flip through each song until I find one I like so much I must hear it the whole way through. Then the CD will probably get played in amongst the other five CDs (my stereo has a six-CD stacker) over the next few weeks, and the tape will be in my car stereo for quite a while. Someone asked the question whether your favourite albums are those you liked upon first listen. Other than Rusty Cage (which I liked IMMEDIATELY when I first played Badmotorfinger), my answer is no. My Soundgarden albums are up there with my favourites of all time, and for all of them I had to listen to the album a few times over before falling completely in love with it....... Oooh boy now I'm getting excited about DOTU. ROLL ON 21 MAY!!!! :-) Carolyn the Metallica Follower ***************************************** But it's only a matter of time.....Soundgarden I cut my teeth on times like these.....Inflatable Soule ***************************************** ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: the ugly truth just loves to give it away... > This may sound strange, but if I came across CC unconcious, I'd > probably just > look through his wallet. You learn so much about a person from that. >>and you would just leave him there once you had pawed through his >>wallet? No kidding!! C'mon Heather!! What the hell is your problem? How could you just leave CHRIS CORNELL laying there... vulnerable... and so hot? I mean... even if you wouldn't jump his sexy body... would you leave him there for evil and lecherous people like myself to find? Well, if you would, then all I have to say is... God bless you. >you can learn so much about a person from their posts to the >somms list. Heheheheheheheheheheheheheheh.... I love this list... Shroom ***I made ya get down on your hands and knees... *** Chris Cornell | |.| |.| |\./| "She drinkin' my JackDaniels |\./| and smokin' all my weed" .\ |\./| /. ~~Andy Wood, MLB \-.\ |\\.//| /.-/ \--./\ |\\.//| /\.--/ \--.| \ |\\.//| / |.--/ \---.|\ |\./| /|.---/ \--.|\ |\./| /|.--/ \ .\ |.| /. / _ -_- \ \\ // / -_- _ - -/_/_/- | | -\_\_\- - /_\ ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: *finally*!!! you would THINK that in fuckin' SEATTLE we would somehow get special rights to hear the *&^% song! but noooOOoooooo, they play it like ONCE a day, and tonight i turned on the radio right before 10pm to hear the 'new music' show and i hear a very familiar yet unfamiliar guitar screech and we are holding our breath waiting for the vocals and they kick in and i hit the remote & turn that volume UPUPUPUPUP and i got maybe 90 seconds of the fuckin' song! ARGHhhhhhhhhhhhhHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH oh well. tomorrow is another day - --caryn ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: cc unconscious really, if i found him unconscious i'd run and call susan silver pronto. okay, i'd probably make sure he was breathing and had a pulse, and then i'd stare at him for about five minutes, and then i'd run and call susan. don't you think that'd entitle me to unlimited SG tickets for the rest of my life? ;-) (and for those who think i'm lying, i really can't see how much fun anything would be unless he was 1) conscious and 2) willing.... ) - --caryn ------------------------------ From: UnknMan@aol.com Subject: Spoonman/herion, PN single, etc I have a few ideas to discuss. First off I too believe that Spoonman is about heroin use (among several other symbols). I was always under the impression that Cornell was an abuser back in the days... remember how his beloved roommate met his fate? Wood od.ed on herion, right? Well, Spoonman, being written in / around the shooting of Singles even makes me believe it's drug usage connotations even more. This was a time when the kids of Seattle were really hit by Wood's death.. ok ok ... to the lyrics: The lines that stick out the most are: "come together with your hands" When planning to inject needles in veins you must enlarge your veins as to see them easier. What most people do is wrap surgical rubber around your forearm (common practice for blood work) to expand the veins but you can also clasp your hands together (come together w/ you hands) and pump your hands. This makes your veins bulge out. Also the line "come on while I get off" tends to give me drug allusions. Not ever having done heroin (or any other form of 'smack') I'm not sure about much else... so I won't comment. Really to be honest I always had the idea that the song like most Cornell songs intentionally has several conflicting symbols just to be impossible to analyze / prove. You can easily see how Spoonman is about a spoon-playing street artist. (the video 'conjures' this image as well as the spoon solo on the track) One can possibly see the song as an ode to a superhero. ("save me" & all that) Spoonman may symbolize a religious figure. The hands coming together may represent praying & being together with his plan may prove that Cornell agrees with this religious movement. The 'rhythm' may be the 'good word.' Wow.. I never thought of that one. Hm... I'm gonna start a new religion. The spoon is sacred. I'll befriend skeletons and Indians (not sure if it's meaning Native Americans or Indians though.... I dunno if Cornell's all that p.c.) (c: Ok.. I'm done with being a dumbass... well for now atleast. Also, even if Cornell says he doesn't have 'heroin songs' he does. TOtD's Times Of Trouble discusses it: 'when the spoon is hot - and the needles sharp'. Heroin usage right there -points back to the song quote- It's depicted in a negative way, yet it _is_ depicted... About the Pretty Noose b-side: My assumption is that radio has the promo version of the single. I have a few radio promos & they only have one song... but sometimes 2 versions: the LP cut & the single version. I have the Spoonman promo which is just like this. Both released before the LP, only containing the single & album cuts. Other recent examples can be RAtM's 1st single from Evil Empire 'Bulls On Parade' which was sent to my store as a single track promo nearly a month prior to the album release. - -break to call local station to request 'Pretty Noose'- I love talking to the radio morons (c: They know me... & they know I request songs they'll never play for me which is anything before Superunknown from Soundgarden. Someday... someday I'll hear 'Flower' or 'Hunted Down' on the radio. Hm... I'd have to listen to the radio though... never mind. We should be getting a CD-5 soon for Pretty Noose... my guess is we'll get the single, another album track & a non LP cut (can anyone say 'Kyle Petty-Son of Richard'?)... all just speculation of course. I'm basing this on the Spoonman single. Hehe... anyone wanna guess which LP track will be on it? My vote is for either 'No Attention' (cuz I've already heard it a zillion times), 'Ty Cobb' (same reason) or 'Never Named (cuz I'm a wishful thinker) (c: Maybe they'll toss in one of those groovy instrumentals... or re-release 'Jerry Garcia's Finger.' Nah... I'm not pesimestic... I just think like record companies /c: Ok, so I said alot & it was poorly rehearsed. I always was the type to be long on words & short on things to say. UnknownMan ps: I saw Bmf/SOMMS available for online purchase through a used disc store... $60 though /c: ------------------------------ From: John Grieves Subject: Re: Spoonman/herion At 02:27 AM 4/22/96 -0400, you wrote: >>RE: Spoonman >Also the line "come on while I get off" tends to >give me drug allusions. I'm not sure this line exists - isn't it "come on, we like it all"? Sorry to be picky! Jackhammer ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: cc unconscious >really, if i found him unconscious i'd run and call susan silver pronto. >okay, i'd probably make sure he was breathing and had a pulse, and then i'd >stare at him for about five minutes, and then i'd run and call susan. Only five minutes? You wouldn't even be a little tempted to touch him? I swear... you have so much more will power than I. >don't you think that'd entitle me to unlimited SG tickets for the rest of my >life? ;-) I think that would entitle you to tickets, backstage passes, and a medal. >(and for those who think i'm lying, i really can't see how much fun anything >would be unless he was 1) conscious and 2) willing.... ) How much fun would it be? Well, I guess that'd depend on the person doing the molesting. I'm sure I could find, oh I don't know... thirty million or so things to try. But, honestly.... we'd be more likely to find him laying unconscious in a field than to find him willing, y'know? He's such a great guy... All hail the mighty Susan Silver... Shroom "So I'm going to say screw this... it's good looking, but I don't like it." ~~~~~~~ Chris Cornell ------------------------------ From: Aleko Subject: new Soundgarden Yesterday triple j (local radio station) played new Soundgarden (pretty noose). The dj also said that the new album doens't dissapoint and may be better then Superunkown, bastard djs hearing albums before us :) The song was like....not very heavy, like a cross between black hole sun and spoonman without sounding like either, it's hard to explain, i thought it was very good without being great, but i taped it so it may grow on me. If they tour i hope they play the horden not emptycontainer centre. What a year Pantera on may the 6th, Soundgarden, Metallica, and hopefully Tool later in the year. Start saving now! "Happiness is not for us to find but for us to search for" ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: Spoonman/heroin >Also the line "come on while I get off" tends to >give me drug allusions. >>I'm not sure this line exists - isn't it "come on, we like it all"? Heheheh... I like the Norway 1994 (aka Garden Grows) version... Chris sings "Come on, suck me off..." Just thought I'd mention it. You're welcome!! Shroom "I'm still learning to love..." ~ I, The Jury ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 102] ****************************************