From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Sunday, 30 Jun 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 02:18:34 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Sunday, 30 Jun 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: grote report: DES MOINES LOLLA RE: it' s perfect Bye bye Earth Affair lolla crowd advice... Re: grote report: DES MOINES LOLLA the lolla reports Re: grote report: DES MOINES LOLLA lollapoloser LoLLa STuFF ultramega OK on vynil and Lolla dates trading shows? Re: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 29 Jun 1996 kim on cover of new "guitar player" mag Re: Killer Tomatos Killer Tomatos ------------------------------------------------------------ From: jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu (grote) Subject: grote report: DES MOINES LOLLA hey all... it is currently 3:30 a.m. on Saturday the 29th...and i just returned from lolla in des moines. i am dirty and grungy and tired, but since i'm also a dedicated somms member i will give a brief report before hosing myself off and collapsing (more details will come later...trust me, i'm a journalist...i got 'em...my little pen and pad were going at lightspeed while trying to avoid the flying metallica dickheads that mr. timberlake spoke of in his post---let me just ditto everything he said about this issue because it was exactly the same in des moines...) anyway, the set: (almost identical to kc) spoonman (not bad) searching... (better) drown me (very tight...ben goes beserk on the bridge) pretty noose (top-notch vox...i noticed on this song that kim's guitar was miked a little flat...oh well) burden (lovely...most of the crowd didn't know it which allowed me to hop around idiotically with little resistance :) ) never the machine... (so-so...this song is so intricate that it's nearly impossible to duplicate live...it just didn't come across with the same power, imho) ty cobb (WOW...high voltage. i almost died. i lost my pen, paper and water bottle in the crowd mayhem--the former two were recovered, fortunately. it was good to see the band and the crowd really grooving on this tune. my pathetic mud-covered twisted pen and paper made my list nearly illegible, but i managed) fell on black days (very heavy, tight, nicely done. the crowd knew this one so i had to deal with some bouncing dolts, but oh well...i like this song as well) rusty cage (pretty good) waiting for the sun (i loved watching elder audience members' faces light up when they realized what the song was...a good performance by sg on this one) black hole sun (chris solo w/ geetar...powerful, moving, and most importantly...a DIFFERENT take on this radio-killed tune...a performance groupies and die-hard fans alike could appreciate) outshined (sure, everybody knew it, but the band performed it crisply and with sheer power) rhinosaur (a little sloppy...i'm not a big fan of this song and the live performance didn't do much to change my mind) never named (see "rhinosaur" above...a fair-to-middlin' performance of a fair-to-middlin' song) blow up the outside (a moving finale, but i don't think anyone fucking realized it...at the beginning of the song, some numbskulls started throwing around cardboard pizza plates...soon the entire crowd is doing it and paying no attention to the band...i think ben gave the best possible summation of the travesty by spitting at every pizza plate that came near him and flipping off the crowd twice upon completion of the set...he seemed to be a happy man until that crap happened...damn shame...) anyway, a good set overall...chris had some humorous crowd banter ("you people up front here are looking really...um...ugly." and, after finding a big yellow book that someone had tossed on stage: "someone's throwing religious bullshit up here. i don't care what you do, but i don't wanna read about it...hmm...looks like something about sinners who aren't getting enough to eat.") well, as long as i'm giving details i may as well keep going... chris went guitar-less on never the machine, ty cobb, outshined, rhinosaur and never named to concentrate on hopping around and screaming. for the fashion police...kim was wearing traditional black jeans and black t-shirt, ben sporting black jeans and a white dress shirt, matt a blue t-shirt and goofy blue baseball hat, and chris in the standard snl/showbox black jeans and shirt. (shirt hanging open for first five songs, then he tossed it aside and went shirtless for the remainder of the set, much to the delight of female fans in my vicinity.) that's all i feel like relaying to you now...oh yeah...the ramones were great, screaming trees were freakin' fantastic (i may have to agree with ben t. that this was the finest set of the festival...they were REALLY in top form), metallica was metallica, psychotica and rancid both sucked. this is the second time i've been forced to sit through a rancid set and i think they are truly a terrible band. oh well...i've also got a set list for the ramones and partial for the trees if anyone's interested... later...i've got more detailed musical notes about each sg tune that i'll try to share later... bye... - -- ######################################################################## # GROTE!!!!! "I don't remember half the time # # If I'm hiding or I'm lost # # jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu But I'm on my way....." -Chris Cornell # ######################################################################## ------------------------------ From: Candy Haun Subject: RE: it' s perfect > i dont think this has been dicussed but can anyone besides me hear > someone( it sounds like Matt to me) say " its perfect" at the > begining of Switch Opens. he says it real quick before the intro Yeah, I've heard that, too. > ayway i keep thinking i hear Micheal Jackson and 500 dollars being > uttered in that opening mysterious voice. The voice sounds to me like some kind of news report or something. I have tried and tried, but I can't make it out either. I makes me crazy when bands do that...put things in their music that are just impossible to decipher. .> Ive also listened to Bootcamp alot and in my opinion this is about > the incident where Chris publicly trashed Micheal Jackson. the lyrics > seem to be in his point of view about having to be perfect and pure > when you're a celebrity and being politicaly correct. Interesting theory. Now I'm going to have to go listen to "Boot Camp" with that interpretation in mind. I don't know about the Michael Jackson part, but I agree with you that he's saying that he feels expected to be a "perfect stalwart clone". He' not alone. It's not just celebrities that feel societal pressure to conform. ------------------------------ Subject: Bye bye From: "Matthew Lawrence" Goodbye, everyone, I've gone home for the summer and won't be back on the list until October. It was really great reading all your posts over the last year and I'll look forward to resubscribing in October.... BYE!! Matt ------------------------------ From: ADDC Subject: Earth Affair Is a fellow named Sean McEleny part of this list? In a guitar magazine I ran across an ad for concert videos. They are offering a couple of Soundgarden tapes. The first is called "Soundgarden: Motorvision (Live in 1992) and it is $25. The second is called "Soundgarden: A Night To Rememeber (Live '94) and this is $30. Does anyone on here have either of these concerts? If you do, please give me a extensive detailed report on them. What is on somms? Vincent ------------------------------ From: jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu (grote) Subject: lolla crowd advice... > From: "Limo Wreck" > Subject: lolla advice needed > > ok, i need some advice. I have never been to a lolla show in the first > place. > > I really want to see Soundgarden, the Ramones and Metallica. BUT, > would i be better off getting down front with all the mosh monsters > and crowd-killer/surfers. AND, i would also like to see Sponge and > Melvins on the 2nd stage. So, would i be better off getting their > early and staying down front or just hangin in the back merrily > dancing around without getting trampled? well, jeremy, let me speak as one who was present at the des moines lollapalooza not more than fifteen hours ago... the crowd sucks. it's the most testosterone pumped pack of hootie-lovin', "WOOO!"-screamin', flesh-barin', trash-throwin', death-moshin', bhs/spoonman-singin' dolts that i've ever seen in my life. (HEY CAROLYN...AM I IN THE RUNNING FOR QUOTE OF THE WEEK!?!?!? :) ) i wanted to get optimum viewing position for my three target acts of the day: screaming trees, soundgarden and the ramones. keep in mind that stupid little mosh-circles break out everywhere in the crowd, which is shoulder-to-shoulder for the width of the stage and 100-150 feet back, so it's impossible to guarantee a good viewpoint anywhere, BUT... i found that the best place to be was about 30 feet back, off to the left or right corner of the stage. i was standing in front of kim for most of the sg set, and pushed up front once but decided it just wasn't worth it...the people up there were not sg fans (for the most part...i'm sure there were some true-blues in there somewhere, probably trampled underfoot by the dimwit moshing lollapalookas...). anyway, from the spot where i was at, i could push up 10 feet or so and get in the thick of things, or drop back 10-15 feet and have a little more crowd tranquility to desperately try to scribble notes and songs on my sad little dusty piece of paper in my pocket. not an ideal situation, but i had a pretty good view of the band from where i was at and could pretty much control my destiny as far as where i wanted to move. (except during ty cobb...then all hell broke loose, i lost my water bottle, my pen went flying into the air and i was plowing through people to get it back...which i did. the water bottle was not so lucky. RIP. (sniff) >;-> ) we were a lot closer for the trees and ramones, and we didn't have any problems whatsoever during those sets. i could stand 15 feet in front of johnny r., hop around like an imbecile and stop to write the songs down on my set list whenever i felt like it. (btw...prepare to be completely blown away by the trees...they put on an absolutely STUNNING show. lanegan was mesmerizing, martin pounded like a man possessed, and the gorgeouly rotund connor brothers were in top form, bouncing and rolling around while breaking out killer hooks...they had an extra guitarist too, which really helped round out the sound, imho.) it takes you a little while to move from stage to stage because of the people, but it's not too bad overall. i bolted to second stage after the ramones finished to catch the end of ben folds five's set (A MUST SEE! these guys are fantastic...whodathunk? a baby grand piano at lollapalooza!?!?!?), and was running back and forth to catch you am i as well (also good...CAROLYN!!! haven't i heard you speak highly of these guys before???) so there's my advice, for what it's worth...bring a blanket or something to sit on during slow sets. water, food, backpacks, umbrellas, cameras and recorders are not allowed inside...buy a $2 bottle of water when you first get there, then just refill it in one of the bathroom sinks (if available) for the rest of the day. you CAN bring in binoculars, if you are so inclined. (i don't know, that's just what the sign said.) t-shirts are $23, food is damn expensive ($7 for a frozen pizza) and boy oh boy, is everything really "alternative". (eeech. it's amazing how people will buy into anything that spoon-fed to them through mass-marketing. but i digress...) i've rambled far too long...let me know if you have any more lolla questions, anybody... - -- ######################################################################## # GROTE!!!!! "I don't remember half the time # # If I'm hiding or I'm lost # # jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu But I'm on my way....." -Chris Cornell # ######################################################################## ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: grote report: DES MOINES LOLLA thanks again for another great lolla report. i'm just glad that seth is (hopefully) putting all of these on the page so that when a certain someone gets home from lolla he can read what kinds of SHIT we had to put up with. i just hope we all get through the summer without someone *really* getting hurt. i'm just angry, really really angry, this is exactly what i knew it would be like, and i have to pass up seeing the ramones and devo and the melvins and sg again because of beavis and butthead wannabe metallica fans [disclaimer: not all metallica fans are b&b wannabes, i mean there's a healthy segment of metallica fans that are...] i mean, jeez guys, you wanna work with metallica, play a show or two, release a fucking single or something... ;-) why subject us to this? oh, and i think ben folds five sucks, but that's just me. ;-) thanks again for the detailed and thoughtful reports.... - --caryn ------------------------------ From: "Limo Wreck" Subject: the lolla reports all of the lolla posts to the lists are being used for my tour page. check it out at http://undertow.rh.ncsu.edu/Sound/soundhome.html follow the links under the LOLLAPALOOZA link for setlists. Comments are linked from those pages respectively. - -- Jeremy Crocker, A.K.A unGod j_crocke@eos.ncsu.edu http://www4.ncsu.edu/eos/users/j/j_crocke/WWW/home.html "So I take what is mine,and hold what is mine, suffocate what is mine, and bury what's mine. Soon the water will come and claim what is mine. I must leave it behind, and climb to a new place now." -"Flood", TOOL ------------------------------ Subject: Re: grote report: DES MOINES LOLLA From: seth > i'm just glad that seth is (hopefully) putting all of these on the page > so that when a certain someone gets home from lolla he can read what > kinds of SHIT we had to put up with. well, they'll all be in the somms archive, but they won't be in the lolla section unless people submit them separately. so people, please do submit your reviews if you attend lolla... enough shameless plugging, seth ------------------------------ From: Shannon Roberts Subject: lollapoloser I haven't seen a great show since I moved to NYC from Seattle 3 years ago. I must have been lucky and spoiled in WA, or the scene in NYC consists of posers . I'm living in the past for a minute or two today--Anybody out there go to the SG show at the Capital Theater in Olympia Sept '91? Great show...I have video some where. There is not a chance in hell I'd go to the lolla show at Randall's Island, even if Chris had grown his hair back ! (or I had grown mine back!!!) Too commercial, too corporate, transportation nightmares, and my Docs need to be resoled! Maybe I'll sit at a park and listen to the sounds of my fleeting misspent youth waft over the East River. whoa---gotta come back to '96, got work to do. later - shannon ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: LoLLa STuFF > for the fashion police...kim was wearing traditional black >jeans and black t-shirt, ben sporting black jeans and a >white dress shirt, matt a blue t-shirt and goofy blue baseball >hat, and chris in the standard snl/showbox black jeans and >shirt. (shirt hanging open for first five songs, then he tossed >it aside and went shirtless for the remainder of >the set, much to the delight of female fans in my vicinity.) Oh YES!!! There is a GOD!!! Thank you, Grote!! You've single-handedly restored my excitement for Lolla!! Chris half-naked!!! BLISS!!!! Ummm... you people want advice for Lolla? Stay away from the front of the crowd when the band hits the stage, unless you've got a firm hold on the barricade (which is nearly impossible). If you ARE up front, you'll probably end up at the back of the crowd anyway, from people trying to get closer... or else at the bottom of the mosh pit. I've always found that the best time to get closer to the stage is about half way through their set, while their playing a slower and lesser-known song. The original excitement will have died down, and people aren't as pushy. That's always been my best bet for getting close. (Hey Seth, did I ever mention the time that I got to touch Chris' sexy body while up front at a SG concert? Yeppers!! Remind me to tell you that story sometime... I know you're SO interested in hearing it!!! ;) Heheheh...) Anyway... just be careful people. Especially watch out for the guys who have totally serious, pissed off expressions on their faces. They're not there for the music... they're there to try and beat the crap out of each other and everyone else in the vicinity. I've been pretty lucky, myself. I think the worst thing to happen to me in a pit is a busted lip, and that was at a Pantera concert a few years back. Am I babbling? Sorry. Heheheh... I'M GOING TO SEE CHRIS HALF-NAKED IN A FEW WEEKS!!!! Life is SO good sometimes!! Shroom "Hey Shroomy, wanna see what the luggage compartment under our tour bus looks like? I'll give you the.... guided tour." ~ Chris Cornell (Words not necessarily said in that order...) <~~~ my disclaimer ------------------------------ From: HQXH39C@prodigy.com (MR SEAN M MCELENY) Subject: ultramega OK on vynil and Lolla dates ok, today at a store called Orpheus or something like that in Georgtown( D.C) i bought a copy of Ultramega Ok for 8 bucks. It is brand new( still in the shrink wrap) but i think its probally a reissue. anyway i dont care because really like the music. There are a few diferences between this and the cd release, the back has great pictures of all of them playing with their names besides them. side B has a rose in red ink on yellow paper and engraved on side A is" a religous man might think we're evil...." and on the other side: " a rational ma might think we're religous". lemme get this str8, July 20th at rockingham NC is an official date? does and anyone have tickets to that show? i am planning on going to that one and Charlestown in WVA. all this changing of the dates is pissing me off. sean ------------------------------ From: HQXH39C@prodigy.com (MR SEAN M MCELENY) Subject: trading shows? is anyone interested in trading shows on the mailing list? i have Oslo Norway 94', reading 95', crown of Thorns, and black hole sun( san jose 94'). all trades are for copies on tape and if you have any shows that i dont have and you have all the ones i have then i would be willing to send you 2 blank maxell 2's for each show. sean ------------------------------ From: ANGELR711@aol.com Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 29 Jun 1996 SOMONE HELP ME!!!!!!!!! i am in desperate need of "KAISER KELLAR'S CELLAR" if anyone has it up for sale, or can help me obtain it, please mail me privately. thanx for all your help! : ) -Rima ------------------------------ From: Chris Mansfield Subject: kim on cover of new "guitar player" mag new issue of "guitar player" magazine (july) has an interview with kim that gets into the technical side of playing, for all you sommsters who like to try to figure out how to play SG tunes. :) has a couple of good pictures too. :) Chris ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: Killer Tomatos >I was at the video store today and I was gonna rent Attack just >for the hell of it...but they didnt have it. Has anyone seen it? Now >is Matt in the movie or is that song he sings just in the background >like part of the soundtrack? This movie sucks, Stella. It's pathetic. No, Matt's not in it (and I spent WAY too much time looking for his face in the crowds on it). The only thing that I KINDA wonder about is when they show the cover to the album "Donny Desmond's Puberty Love." There's a picture of a blonde kid on the cover, and it really doesn't look like Matt, but then again, what the hell do I know? It's Chris that I'm obsessed with. Dena (Geek Girl) made a few wavs of "Puberty Love." If anyone wants to hear the song, but doesn't want to sit through this BORING movie, e-mail her... I'm sure she'll send the wav to you (whatta gal... I'm sure she's gonna love me for nominating her for it). I'm just nice like that... Shroom ***I made ya get down on your hands and knees... *** Chris Cornell | |.| |.| |\./| "She drinkin' my JackDaniels |\./| and smokin' all my weed" .\ |\./| /. ~~Andy Wood, MLB \-.\ |\\.//| /.-/ \--./\ |\\.//| /\.--/ \--.| \ |\\.//| / |.--/ \---.|\ |\./| /|.---/ \--.|\ |\./| /|.--/ \ .\ |.| /. / _ -_- \ \\ // / -_- _ - -/_/_/- | | -\_\_\- - /_\ ------------------------------ From: stella Subject: Killer Tomatos I was at the video store today and I was gonna rent Attack just for the hell of it...but they didnt have it. Has anyone seen it? Now is Matt in the movie or is that song he sings just in the background like part of the soundtrack? ==================================================================== stella / \ /\ | |_| / \ \ \ / /\ \ http://www.fix.net/~srogers _\ \tell /\ \ srogers@fix.net | | | / / \ \ \ / /__/ \__\ ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 169] ****************************************