From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 3 Mar 1997 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 02:04:32 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Monday, 3 Mar 1997 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: sunday morning (whoa! early sunday morning!) post Re: March of Crimes Re: Chris' Songs & the defence thereof.... Concert Poster Contest Chrisfest 'TEEN! Okay, okay.... I'm sorry Re: Chris' Songs & the defence thereof.... Ben & KISS Re: Ben's sudden and disturbing departure from this planet... SG US TOUR Grammys... Well I'm a little late... maybe I already posted this... I'm not sur hey now! FORTISSIMO: want it??? Re: Hype! girl Re: hey now! hooeee! Nothin but the best for the golden boy... Re: hey now! Anyone? I missed the Grammys Re: I missed the Grammys lotsa different stuff... concert update Cover Songs Re: I missed the Grammys safely held beneath the waves... ------------------------------------------------------------ From: merlin Subject: sunday morning (whoa! early sunday morning!) post Hey... Did somebody mention... gavin... (oh, god, I can barely even say it...) rossdale??? If I hear that name (or read it) one more time I think I'll scream. All day long at school I've got to hear all the little trendies say "Oh! gavin rossdale! he's *so hot*! And his lyrics are *so meaningful*!" It was funny for a while but. . . So some jackass thought CC was the lead singer from bush. Well ya know what? I think I would've felt a very strong urge to smack the little fucker (pardon my french), but you've just gotta learn to ignore - or laugh at - poor, unfortunate (<--- this is called sarcasm), ignorant people like that. They're always gonna be around, and there's really nothing else you can do about them. ;-) Sorry about this post. It's about 4 am, I just got home a few hours ago, I can't sleep... Me thinks I'd best sign off. Sall fer now... ~Raine PS - "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes" is a really good movie. (All joking aside.) Wonderful satire. And ya know what's even better? "Return of the Killer Tomatoes." :) ------------------------------ From: Deborah Baker Subject: Re: March of Crimes Benlover asked: >And somebody mentioned that Ben hated Kiss - does anyone know if this is >true? I remember Chris said in some interview (can't remember where) that the reason Soundgarden didn't contribute to the Kiss tribute album was that they are a democratic band and, as half of them didn't want to do it, they didn't. Now Matt used to play in a Kiss cover band and Kim has often mentioned how he was into Kiss as a teenager, so we can probably assume Ben and Chris don't care for them. Incidentally, I remember Gene Simmons saying that Soundgarden *were* going to be on the album but their management stepped in and stopped it. Yeah, dream on Gene ;-) UKDeb ------------------------------ From: KAISERVRBL@aol.com Subject: Re: Chris' Songs & the defence thereof.... In a message dated 97-03-01 20:00:53 EST, you write: << chris cornell is a great writer, but hardly a poet. >> You are sssssooooooooooooooo wrong! Cris Cornell is a poet. Go to the lyric section of the page and read his words devoid of the music they are attached to. They are literally exploding with imagery, metaphor, emotion, irony, beauty, hate, lust, personification, and on and on and on and on. How, exactly, do you define a poet Caryn? As someone who rhymes or writes in structured stanzas and meter? I am a writer by profession. I studied writing in College. In fact, I majored AND minored in it. I have been a huge music fan most of my life. I am very familar with great songwriters like Townsend, Plant, Springsteen, Young. So I am well informed and not discounting *anyone* when I say that I believe that Chris Cornell is the quintesential *poet* of this or any generation, I mean exactly what I say. >>um, lance -- ever heard of an *opinion*?????????????<< Yes, I have and this is mine. I believe whole-heartedly that saying anything Billy Corgan writes is even remotely more personal than what Chris writes is a Dumb-ass statement. Just because I chose to use the phrase *dumb-ass* as an adjective, does not mean I was *flaming* him. This is a personal topic to me. *VERY personal*. Chris' lyrics are what makes me such a devoted SG fan. It is the very essence of why I hunt for every single word he has ever penned. It's what I believe and it is not meant to be taken personally by any other person. Lance "Fire the loaded mental cannon into the page" ------------------------------ From: Laurie Casey Subject: Concert Poster Contest If anyone in the Seattle area cares- The new Rock Memories story (on 6th and Denny) is holding a contest where you come in and get this coloring book thing.. and if you turn it back in before March 26th you have a chance to win a hand numbered silkscreen of 1 of 10 posters. One of these posters is the Soundgarden poster for the Salem, Oregon show. You can call them or go see them for more info- the #'s (206) 448-1262. The other nine posters being given away for anyone who wants to know are Bad Religion, Beck, BB King, Rev. Horton Heat, Social D., Porno for Pyros, the Melvins, Neville Bros. and Everclear. Good luck! Laurie ------------------------------ From: lecocke@txdirect.net Subject: Chrisfest Well, after the Texas hootchiechrisfest, I have a whole list of various SG material I need to find (FAST). Shroom and I watched her unbelievable SG compilations (that only a true hootchie could have made) and I HAVE to have them. I hadn't seen the bowling from Headbanger's Ball, and it was the best! I never would have thought Chris could be so very giddy. He was hilarious. Then there's the Shroom's sacred Club Lingerie (?!) vid that shows Chris dancing. Now THAT is something every hootchie should see...wooh...sigh... Anyway, if anyone knows where I can find the PJ Star videos, I'd be eternally grateful. Thanks. Luv Margret ------------------------------ From: lecocke@txdirect.net Subject: 'TEEN! Damn me. I forgot something. I know you'll all be happy when you read this. I was sitting around the library at school with a friend, and we went for magazines because we're slackers. Anyway, we picked up one of those teeny magazines (Caryn, it's possibly the same one that showed a pic of Eddie Vedder, with a caption that read something along the lines of "And who wouldn't love to have the lusciously flowing curls of Eddie Vedder?" *me waving my hand wildly*) and I was looking through the Cool Stuff section. I knew there would be something in there that would make my stomach flip. Well, in the Cool Read part, they show of the cover of Noise From the Underground, and underneath, it says "With a half-naked picture of Soundgarden's gorgeous Chris Cornell, who wouldn't want to read this book?" It's something like that. I don't remember exactly, but there ya go. How do you like that?! I fell off my chair laughing, which subsequently got me kicked out of the library. Oh well, class was almost over anyway. Haha. Wonder if Chris has seen that?! :) ~Margret ------------------------------ From: Aferdity@aol.com Subject: Okay, okay.... Lance is right...he warned us how the Grammy's were fucked up. I didn't say anything about it though when it was first brought up. But I should have listened. Stupid me!!! Take care and be sweet!! Stay Cool, Kelly :) ------------------------------ From: me Subject: I'm sorry I apologize to Seth and all the sommsters. Yes I have been kind of annoying, well pushy and stuff. I dont mean it. Its just that I get really bored and stuff. I will cut down my posts and post when its nescecary<--however you spell that. I got flamed and I deserve it. I'm sorry, and about the song of the month that came out wrong, I was really wondering if Seth takes a vote for song of the month, or something I dunno, well I'm sorry. ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: Chris' Songs & the defence thereof.... At 10:31 AM 3/2/97 -0500, KAISERVRBL@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 97-03-01 20:00:53 EST, you write: > ><< chris cornell is a great writer, but hardly a poet. >> > >You are sssssooooooooooooooo wrong! Cris Cornell is a poet. Go to the lyric >section of the page and read his words devoid of the music they are attached >to. They are literally exploding with imagery, metaphor, emotion, irony, >beauty, hate, lust, personification, and on and on and on and on. they are beautiful *songs*, beautiful words. rock musicians are not automatically poets, nor do many wish them to be. >How, exactly, do you define a poet Caryn? As someone who rhymes or writes in >structured stanzas and meter? even poets who write in free-form have some structure. don't insult me like this, lance. i'm a hell of a lot smarter than you think, and might just know as much about poetry as you do. >I am a writer by profession. I studied writing in College. In fact, I majored >AND minored in it. big deal. so did i. i also made my living as a writer for several years and in fact still in many ways do so. that doesn't set me or you judge and jury over what is poetry and what is not. >I have been a huge music fan most of my life. I am very >familar with great songwriters like Townsend, Plant, Springsteen, Young. So I >am well informed and not discounting *anyone* when I say that I believe that >Chris Cornell is the quintesential *poet* of this or any generation, I mean >exactly what I say. you didn't say "i believe", you said uncategorically that he is. and i didn't say that you didn't mean what you said, i was offering some others i feel have written lyrics to a greater power, at least to me personally. >>>um, lance -- ever heard of an *opinion*?????????????<< > >Yes, I have and this is mine. I believe whole-heartedly that saying anything >Billy Corgan writes is even remotely more personal than what Chris writes is >a Dumb-ass statement. Just because I chose to use the phrase *dumb-ass* as an >adjective, does not mean I was *flaming* him. lance, it does. your statement was so clearly a flame a newbie could see it. if you want to get into a lyrical debate with andrew dunn, i encourage you to. he could quote you word for word, line for line, cornell vs. corgan, and it would be one of the most intelligent exchanges this list has seen for months. even *I* disagree with your statement. i wouldn't go so far as to say that corgan's lyrics are *more* personal than cornell's -- but i would say that there's a certain detachment that chris brings sometimes that isn't present in corgan's songs. hence the reason people tend to call billy a 'whiner'. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT ONE IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER. personally, billy's lyrics do not speak to me at all, and cornell's do a little further, but not to the extent that they obviously influence you. >This is a personal topic to me. *VERY personal*. Chris' lyrics are what makes >me such a devoted SG fan. It is the very essence of why I hunt for every >single word he has ever penned. It's what I believe and it is not meant to be >taken personally by any other person. i still maintain that your previous statement was a flame, and i would offer the thought that the subject is so personal to you that you are unable to be objective-- which is fine; i'm hardly objective about the things nearest and dearest to me too. but don't assume that the statement which sparked this exchange didn't originate from the exact same place in someone else. this list has a tendancy sometimes to trash other bands relentlessly in our defense of soundgarden. let's respect the fact that it's perfectly acceptable to like and love and worship other bands too, and not to think that chris cornell is the messiah returned. of course, it's perfectly acceptable to think that he is, as long as you don't try to force your opinion down everyone else's throat. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: "mcinturff, dylan" Subject: Ben & KISS I remember Ben saying that he doesn't like KISS in an interview somewhere. He said that he would get beat up by KISS fans in high school because he listened to Led Zeppelin. The guys who hassled him called Zep "older brother music." This is supposedly why SG wasn't on the KISS tribute album... Dylan ------------------------------ From: Orko Subject: Re: Ben's sudden and disturbing departure from this planet... As for the thing about KIm not being able to do unplugged.... I thought the same thing about Gossard, McReady, Vedder and crew until I actually saw it... It would be hard for him to be still but he could pull it off and it would kick ass On Sun, 2 Mar 1997 LoudLoveCC@aol.com wrote: > Chris aka Head of the Ben Shepard Coalition Against Political Correctness, > > Excuse me while I wring out my wet pants... HA!! Great post. I didn't want > to post about the Ben nonsense flying around, 'cause I didn't want to involve > myself, but your post just topped it off!! Btw.... I also heard that Ben was > the real identity of Tori Amos's rapist and he was the one who told Kurt that > killing himself wouldn't be such a bad idea. Shucks... > > For all you Benlovers... hey, I admit, I'm a sucker for Mr. Sexy Body (aka > God) (aka Chris, for all you non-hootchies), but Ben rocks pretty hard. That > would really suck a nut if he left, which I don't think will happen anyway. > > And as for an acoustic/Unplugged SG thing. Um, actually if any one member, > in my humble opinion, would look funny on stage during an Unplugged gig, > would be the guitar guru/studmuffin. I can not see Kim sitting on a damned > stool with candles all around him, blowing on the strings of an acoustic > guitar!! Ha!! Matt and Chris would be fine... Ben isn't ALWAYS a > kicking/screaming/swearing maniac. I can honestly see Ben chilling on a > stool, cig hanging out of his mouth, grooving along w/ the band. But, eh... > Kim, sorry pal, but it's *really* hard for me to picture you doing this.... > huh... who knows why? =P > > ok, enuf babble for now.... except for one thing. > > hee hee, today I wore boxers that said CORNELL on them.... YEAH, I RULE!! > > " huh....uh huh-huh... yeah.... uh... uh... shut up, dumbass!" > > me interviewing Chris... > > ME: So Chris, tell me about your relationship w/ Dave Navarro? > > CC: "Don't worry everything's clean" > > ME: I don't believe you... Shroom has pictures.... what's really going on > between you two? > > CC: "Loud Love" > > ME: Aha! So you admit it! I knew what was going on... what do you usually > say to him when you see him? > > CC: "Don't you want to thrill me?" > > ME: Wanna ask me that question? Please..... > > love, lissa ;-) > ------------------------------ From: Orko Subject: SG US TOUR Does anyone know when SG wil go on aniother US tour, if so are going to be in Little Rock AR. ORKO ------------------------------ From: UnknownGrl@aol.com Subject: Grammys... Well I'm a little late... maybe I already posted this... I'm not sure I was watching the pre-grammy show on MTV, and they interviewed Chris Cornell. It was one of the better interviews. They asked what Soundgarden was doing now and Chris said they just got back from Austrailia and that they might start recording now. Then the guy told Chris it looked like he was getting a tan and Chris scratched his stomach and said "Yeah... well you know those tanning booths in Austrailia (or something like that) I laughed all night. He even kind of smiled his half smile... Then during the Grammys some black lady was getting an award and sitting behind her was Chris with Susan... No sign of the other members of Soundgarden... But for anyone who has always wanted to see Susan just get a copy of the grammys from a friend and watch closely. Peace or Anarchy, Rachel ------------------------------ From: Jennifer Kern Subject: hey now! Hello everyone!! This is just a quick post in the defense of others who can not (obviously) put in their own two cents. Lance--I am very surprised by your vicious tongue concerning SP. I thought you were more open minded than that. Though you may not care for SP, how can you possibly be so cruel and insensitive to start degrading them as songwriters...Do you know anything about songwriting??? (yes--I already know you do...but I would think you would admire and respect other artists/ musicians for their own individual styles and perceptions. If everyone wrote like CHris, music would get incredibly tiresome--but then I suppose people would then get upset because those other songwriters would just be "posers" or "wanna-be's". FYI Chris happens to like SP and I think he would atleast respect/appreciate other artist's talents for who and what they are whether he personally listened to them or not. There's my two cents. JEN ------------------------------ From: LoudLoveCC@aol.com Subject: FORTISSIMO: want it??? Anyone out there want a copy of Fortissimo? I have one for you.... and if you're good, I'll let you have it. Everyone interested, email me. It's sitting on my desk, calling to you... "(insert your name here)!!!!!!! Come and get me!! Email lissa at the above address!! You know you want me!!" See, didn't you hear it? ;-) love, lissa =) ------------------------------ From: Brian34295@aol.com Subject: Re: Hype! In a message dated 97-03-02 17:46:52 EST, you write: <> i totally agree......i wonder if hype! 2 needs extras....i'll go check. SG CONTENT: hey, who are the guys in inflatable soule? someone mentioned that they were the cornell siblings....somebody give me some info on this band. anybody that is related to chris and is managed by susan has to be a kick-ass band. by the way, i saw a sg poster in a store the other day and chris didn't have any facial hair...i thought that was wild because i've never seen him without it before. hasta luego.... "Glitter burned by restless thoughts of being forgotten..." - Billy Corgan Brian34295@aol.com dead to the world ------------------------------ From: bucci@worldy.com Subject: girl I just got on the Mlist and who is this "GIRL"?? ------------------------------ From: Joe Cennamo Subject: Re: hey now! > just be "posers" or "wanna-be's". FYI Chris happens to like SP and I think > he would atleast respect/appreciate other artist's talents for who and > what they are whether he personally listened to them or not. > There's my two cents. JEN > Where did you hear this? I'm a songwriter (Kind of) and I've always admired both bands talents, through I think that Chris is much better writer. His lyrics are deeper then Billys. I have to think about Chris's but I can just look at Billys and I know what he's talking about. With Chris I have to think, you can tell that alot of Soundgardens songs have a deep meaning.If you look at the lyrics to the songs on Siamese dream you'll find most of them are really stupid. He talks about useing holy powers to get rid of voices and things. Soundgarden is also a much more talented band. There not a band like sp, where I can sit down with my guitar and in 5 minutes have a one of thier songs figured out. joec ------------------------------ From: EarthGnome@aol.com Subject: hooeee! i found fortissmo in a used cd store around here.... it's pretty cool, but chris's voice is drowned out by the instruments and its a little hard to understand the lyrics... but besides that it rocks i've looked everywhere for anything inflatable soule and have NOT been able to find it.. i have a feeling i'll be going to the big city for this one.... there was something else i had to mention... but it slipped my mind oh yeah. i heard johnny cash's version of rusty cage... IMHO he did a pretty good job and i respect his cover even tho i'm as far from a country fan as you can get latah Meaghan ------------------------------ From: Cornell32@aol.com Subject: Nothin but the best for the golden boy... Hey! I've had several requests asking for a full account of my Chris encounter, so I suppose I'll tell ya, but I warn you: I have a tendency to babble, so it may be long! =) It was July 31, 1994, at the Fox Theatre in Atlanta. I had front row center tickets (I worked at a TicketMaster outlet at the time), and was lovin life! "Some days ARE better than others!" I said...little did I know what was to happen later! Anyhow, after enjoying an incredible show, I proceeded to wait outside the Theatre for the guys to come out. We waited for 2.5 hours. Trent Reznor and Kennedy were there (as if I cared). Chris hurled tomatoes at us from the balcony, while Ben filmed. I tried to get hit by one so Chris would have to take care of me, but no deal. Finally, Kim, Matt, and Ben came out of the building and straight onto the bus (boo). The tension mounted. Finally, the amazing, tantalizing Chris emerged from the building and ran across the street to where about 15 of us were standing. He said he only had time to sign one autograph, and did so for a little girl, about 7 or 8, who was wearing an SG shirt. I stood beside Chris, and my friend took pictures. I was standing between Chris and the bus. Finally, he turned towards me to go back to the bus, and I said, "Thank you for making my life so much better!" Obviously, this was much more effective than "Why did you cut your hair?!" because he said, "AWWW!" and hugged me!!! Woohoo!!! His neck was so soft and golden, and I couldn't resist putting a little tiny kiss on it =) ! As we pulled away (boo), his fork necklace was hooked on my shirt, and we giggled as we unhooked it!! Hee hee! We were all silly! ANYWAY...that was the most incredible night of my life! And I have pictures to prove it! =) As if anyone would DARE to call me a liar.... Okay! That's the story of the most amazing, perfect night i've ever experienced as a die-hard Soundgarden freak..front row...meeting God himself....kissing his neck...damn i'm a lucky girl =) Thanks for listening! Love, Leslie...not necessarily stoned but....beautiful.... ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: hey now! At 07:11 PM 3/2/97 -0500, Joe Cennamo wrote: >Where did you hear this? >I'm a songwriter (Kind of) and I've always admired both bands talents, >through I think that Chris is much better writer. His lyrics are deeper >then Billys. I have to think about Chris's but I can just look at Billys >and I know what he's talking about. no -- you *think* you know what he's talking about. >With Chris I have to think, you can tell >that alot of Soundgardens songs have a deep meaning.If you look at the >lyrics to the songs on Siamese dream you'll find most of them >are really stupid. ...in your opinion. you don't identify with them. they mean nothing to you. there are some people for whom their music strikes a very deep chord. (again -- i'm not a huge SP fan. seeing them live really did a lot to change my opinion, and having a good friend who is a fanatic also gives me another perspective.) > He talks about useing holy powers to get >rid of voices and things. Soundgarden is also a much more talented band. >There not a band like sp, where I can sit down with my guitar and in 5 >minutes have a one of thier songs figured out. you can do the same thing with chuck berry. wanna tell me he's not unbelievably influential? same thing with the ramones, any of the early punk bands... complexity does not always indicate more talent. iggy pop, one of sg's personal heroes, writes songs about sex (mostly). "i wanna be your dog" is one of the most amazing songs in the history of rock and roll imo. everyone and their mother has covered the stooges "search and destroy"....which means that it's easy to figure out. so what???? we could debate this for hours. you don't like sp, fine. no need to CONTINUE to trash a band that means something to other people -- it doesn't make you a better fan, or a bigger fan. this list is about our love for soundgarden, not our hatred for other bands. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: java4u@sos.net Subject: Anyone? Has mostly everyone on this list, at some time or another, met Chris! I know that I have come across some people talking about there meeting him. I'm so jealous. I would do anything to meet him, he's a wonderful songwriter with along of meaning to his lyrics. I even live near Seattle and have never come across him before. This may sound really stupid, but if anyone knows how I could meet him, drop me a line! How long have Chris and Susan been married for anyway? Rachel ------------------------------ From: "BRONWYN J. KELLY" Subject: I missed the Grammys I could realy kick my self now I was considering watching the grammys but when I saw Ellen singing so dumb song with Bonnie Ratt, I couldn't be bothered so I went and read some old Juice Magazines and listened to my soundgarden CDs. Only to find this morning when I get to uni and read my e-mail that I miss seeing Chris Cornell in a Tux. Whats worse is that if I read all of my mail on friday I would have seen it there and could have watched it because I'm in australia it was on Friday night. I am such the fool. I need pity. Bronwyn. ------------------------------ From: SJordet@aol.com Subject: Re: I missed the Grammys Browyn wrote: >I could really kick myself now I was considering watching the grammys but when I >saw Ellen singing some dumb song with Bonnie Raitt, I couldn't be bothered so I >went and read some old Juice Magazines and listened to my Soundgarden CDs. >Only to find this morning when I got to uni and read my e-mail that I missed seeing >Chris in a tux. Whats worse is that if I read all my mail on Friday I would have seen >it there and could have watched it because I'm in australia it was on Friday night. >I am such the fool. I need pity. I know how you feel! I did watch the Grammys, but I didn't realize that Chris was actually to be found anywhere. I knew he was there, and I did a double take when I saw the camera focus on Toni Braxton, but I didn't quite realize that was actually him. I did, however, get a major rush from watching Lyle Lovett accept his award. =) I still don't understand why people think he's so ugly... I read in an article someplace about how Chris was asked to play a pretty major role in The Usual Suspects. Wouldn't that have been wonderful? More visual fodder for all of those who love listening to his visceral voice and watching his muscular body move like that of a large, graceful cat's ... =) Well, I should be off now, Benlover =) ------------------------------ From: merlin Subject: lotsa different stuff... hey... >i dunno in the oct 94 issue of request susan looked pretty hot... >anyways chris married her so there has to be something there For Christ's sake. I'd expect this sort of thing on maybe the motley crew list or something (and I don't know why I'm even acknowledging it)... Real, intelligent people know that looks are only skin deep. What makes a person - what matters about a person - are qualities such as character, personality. Chris Cornell could have 2 heads and I wouldn't see him any differently. I heard his songs before I ever saw his face, and they're what made me love him. >when did chris and other rockstars who are idolized become >exempt from the temptations that other humans have. how could >there be no way that he would behave like that? chris is a great >songwriter, performer, singer, etc... but, he is not a god. Well, as far as I know, I'm a human. (But who knows, I could be from Mars and not yet know it. :-) And *I* don't feel any temptation to go up to men and start harassing them. Yes, CC is a person, and of course nobody is perfect. But all you have to do is listen to his songs, and it's obvious he would never do anything of the sort. That girl, whoever she was, was a pathetic, lying bitch. End of story. >chris cornell is a great writer, but hardly a poet. A poet, by definition, is: 1 a writer of poems. 2 a person possessing high powers of imagination or expression etc. "I'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind" It's lines like this that define for me what a poet is and should be. I suppose everyone's definition varies... but I'm a writer - of screenplays, teleplays, long stories, short stories, *and* poetry. I consider myself a poet, and like I said once before, Chris Cornell is one of my biggest inspirations - as a writer, a poet... and a person. That's all for now... ~Lorraine Nothing seems to break me no matter how far I fall nothing can break me at all. . . ------------------------------ From: "D. Murphy" Subject: concert update well, soundgarden won't be playing for a while, but west coast sommsters may be interested to know that the screaming trees will be playing san francisco, portland, seattle and vancouver this month. go to www.proaxis.com/~elcurte/oblivion/ for more info...i will be there on the 18th! (this is SG related, isn't it?) dan _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ levitan@u.washington.edu _/ _/ "Technology is a way of organizing the universe so that man _/ _/ doesn't have to experience it." - Max Frisch _/ _/ ph: 206-528-1389 or pgr: 206-749-6136 _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/killyourtelevision_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ------------------------------ From: Orko Subject: Cover Songs I am a new fan of SG and I was wondering if anyone knows of any cover songs they sing and where I could find them. thanX ORKO and the RAMHEADS ------------------------------ From: Geoff Subject: Re: I missed the Grammys Maybe it's because Lovett looks so much like Ben. Am I the only one to notice this? I hope Ben doesn't read this and spit on me or kick my ass.. Geoff SJordet@aol.com wrote: > Lovett accept his award. =) I still don't understand why people think he's so > ugly... > > Well, I should be off now, > Benlover =) ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: safely held beneath the waves... On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Andrew Dunn wrote: > art of writing great lyrics. It may be a flaw in my genetic code or > something but Corgan's songs in my eyes are much much much more personal > than anything Cornell could ever ever write. I've been sitting here for a couple of minutes now, trying to decide whether I should reply to this post or not. I mean, it really is just one guy's opinion up against another's, so why bother? stuff like this generally just ends up going 'round in circles. but since somms is all about discussion, why the hell not? I haven't said anything in a while, so I guess it can't hurt (and I promise I won't resort to "your band sucks" comments, mainly because I actually *like* the pumpkins). let me just prefix this by saying that none of us could ever hope to fully understand either of these vocalists' songs or words. if we could lists like this wouldn't be any fun :) while you made a couple of good points in your post andrew, I have to disagree with the part about billy's lyrics being more personal than anything chris could "ever ever write". I can appreciate that billy's words may strike more chords with you than chris' or make more sense to you personally, but I don't know that you can invalidate what chris *hasn't* written or is *yet to* write. that just seems too shallow a way to judge someone's lyrical worth. it is easy to point to songs like 'disarm', 'spaceboy' or 'ugly' and say "wow, chris cornell could never write something as personal as that", but how could you ever tell or imagine with any real accuracy what chris *could* one day write? that is not giving the man his due, or the respect he deserves. hmmm...this is difficult. it is hard to talk about relative degrees of "personalness" in song-writing, especially when the true meaning of both artists' songs are not so simple to understand. from my perspective, the lyrics billy has shared with us to this point *are* more personal than chris'. with some songs there is no contest. but their contrasting styles makes this comparison difficult. billy obviously sings and writes from the heart. there are few songs that I can think of that are obviously throw-aways; most of his lyrics dealing with (from what I guess are) extremely emotional and personal feelings. chris, on the other hand, seems to write less from his heart and more from his mind. whether that is because of his desire to be shut off from others or not (see 'the day I tried to live') and to keep his private thoughts private is unclear. but I wouldn't discount his ability to write lyrics on a par with billy because of this. in fact, chris obviously feels *very* strongly about what he sings; I myself believe that the sheer simplicity of 'boot camp' rivals much of the emotion billy puts into a song like 'here is no why' or 'blue'. and while chris writes less from the first person perspective than billy (see 'new damage' or 'mailman' vs. 'to forgive' or 'by starlight'), he has the ability imho to write just as sincererly and profoundly as billy (see 'seasons', 'cold bitch' or 'hands all over'). there is little doubt in my mind that if and when the mood takes him, chris could write songs with just as much heart as billy. maybe he just doesn't need the release or remedial effects of those words as much . perhaps we will never know for sure. at any rate, I think it is unfair to say that a lyricist of chris' stature and ability is categorically unable to write as well as another. let's try and work with what we know; not with unknowns. just my point of view. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 3 Issue 55] ***************************************