From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 14 Apr 1997 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 02:02:51 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Monday, 14 Apr 1997 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Re: This SUCKS!!!! THE FOOLS!!!! Hey Sommsters.......remember this: NO WAY!!!! Re: Leave Ben alone. :P Re: SG radio station Your post 4/12 trampled underfoot down in a hole I got fired??? Awww.... DisographY? Re: DisographY? Fresh Tendrils Possible futures Coolest Sig. Biographies and Break ups on a brighter note-hear 665-->667 backwards breaking up on a brighter note-hear 665-->667 backwards,oops The Future.... re: READ ME!!!!!!!!!!!! mail fan club? Re: mail fan club? Re: mail fan club? What about the future of rock? Re: mail fan club? Random Thoughts and Notes The new disco so.florida radio special a day in the life Head high you've got to smile has is sunk in yet???? Re: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 12 Apr 1997 ------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: This SUCKS!!!! THE FOOLS!!!! From: kalyssa@juno.com (Katie E Williams) Ok.. I don't mean to sound judgmental or anything but you kind of need to do some rethinking.. I mean, you're right, every song does have its own meaning, and that should make Soundgarden that much more special to you.. nobody says you can't wear your t-shirts or listen to their music.. This whole breakup thing should make you realize that much more how wonderful Soundgarden is/was.. I personally plan to go into mourning and deck myself out in Soundgarden gear and probably annoy the hell out of my friends by listening to unending Soundgarden music... and you have no right to call them fools.. they obviously didn't have everything every band wants because otherwise they wouldn't have broken up.. they don't owe anything to you or the rest of us.. they only owe music to themselves and they would be denying themselves what they really want if they stayed together (at least I guess so).. anyway.. I went through my own pissed off stage concerning them breaking up.. I still am somewhat mad, but if it's what they really want then I guess it's for the best.. hey, maybe if we're lucky they'll do one last show for fan-club members only (assuming they all stay in Seattle) ~Katie On Wed, 09 Apr 1997 15:55:14 -0700 Josh Verley writes: >Okay! When I first heard I was a little sad. I mean, Soundgarden was >one >of the ONLY bands that really knew how to make music! Every song they >made had its own meaning, and its own...well... you know! I don't know > >what I will do with all my Soundgarden shirts and CDs and stuff. I >wont >ever be able to use any of it again! THIS SUCKS!!!! They are FOOLS for > >doing this. They had things that ever band wants! I wish I could see >them >now. I would kick the shit out of them! I know they want a chance to >do >other things, and they can. But they can make music too! > > >"When I hand in my love I'll be done...." > > ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: Hey Sommsters.......remember this: ..........WE STILL HAVE THE MUSIC!!!! I've been reading some of the posts that have come in since last week's = news. =20 {but still a massive 548 unread Somms posts are sitting in my in-box} And it occurred to me: Yes, a great band has broken up.=20 Sure, that means we'll never have a chance to see them in concert again. And yes, sadly, they'll never produce another new album. But THEIR MUSIC HASN'T DIED! We still have the music, folks. That's BETTER than just having memories = when someone or something we loved has died. Not only do we have = memories (I'll never forget the two times I recently saw them in = concert).......we actually have something concrete that can never be = taken away! MUSIC! :-) =20 No band will go on forever. But their music, to their fans, will. = Don't forget that. =20 Other than that, I hope things on the list are still cool. I only read = an occasional note at the time I receive it - most just add to that = daunting pile of 500+ posts, to read when I have the time. For all I = know the list is full of nasty arguments or babbling fools! {yeah, I'm one of those babblers} Thinking of you all, Carolyn the Mostly-optimistic Fan I awoke just the same as any other day.......... ------------------------------ From: Mitchell Family Subject: NO WAY!!!! Would someone please tell me is sooundgarden really splitting up!!!!I haven't gotten to read my mail in a very long time.Will someone please clue me in on whats happening. Thanks, Megan Megan ------------------------------ From: Slave4cc@aol.com Subject: Re: Leave Ben alone. :P In a message dated 97-04-12 04:40:16 EDT, you write: << Subj: Re: Leave Ben alone. :P Date: 97-04-12 04:40:16 EDT From: yu166423@yorku.ca (Rita) To: SJordet@aol.com CC: SOMMS@MIT.EDU > (or > something very close to this) > Oh, please. None of this was Ben's fault - and if it was his, is was just as > much everyone else's as well. And please people, even if for some reason you >> i knew this was gonna start, because we don't know what happened, the >> speculation will now begin...blame it on chris, he wants to go solo, blame >> it on ben, he's just to damn mean no, blame it on kim, >> he just wants to drink beer and philosophize, and finally, blame it on >> matt..well we all know matt can do no harm cuz he's an angel, the "nice >> one" remember? :P just forget it..stop pointing fingers, it solves >> nothing, just creates pointless gossip and it does not bring them back. When I was angry, I said something I regret to someone about Ben, I think it was Lissa. It was just all the emotion slam dancing in my head. We can only speculate on this right now. Unless we get some sort of inside scoop of what the main reason was. Fortunatly, we've got each other. My husband/family cant even grunt out a "sorry to hear that". Its tearing out my heart and they basically just laugh like im insane. You guys, please dont fight now, not now. >>and about the them owing us something. i feel that they have given all of >>us the most precious and valuable thing they ever could...their >>music. it has enriched us and touched us in ways that no other could. you >>all know what soundgarden has done for you in your life and just what an >>invaluable gift that was I heard that. Were grieving our own personal loss, my soul hurts cuz its likes being warmed by them. I treasure each and every (and theres alot) song now. They have given us alot, theyre heart and souls. And I havent seen them live.... I hope to meet some of you guys someday. Carol >Peace< My Soundgarden poem (revised)....sent to Soundgarden feb/97 And when its all said and done, when the crowd has gone home, you ripped out your heart and soul, which they devoured like they starve. now you sit here alone. Sometimes I wonder... Is there anything left over of you, for you? ------------------------------ From: Slave4cc@aol.com Subject: Re: SG radio station >> Subj: Re: SG radio station >> Date: 97-04-12 14:31:46 EDT >> From: lee@frontier.wilpaterson.edu (alisa brozena) >> To: melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net (cornell) >> CC: somms@MIT.EDU >> what's in the mouth of decadence and how do i get it? Ditto! >>to all you NY area Sommsters>>>>> >>i got the confermation from K-Rock today that the tribute will be tomarrow >>night at midnight (which is techncally Monday). So get your blank tapes >>ready! >>lee Your soooooooo lucky! Carol a day late....i know ------------------------------ From: Slave4cc@aol.com Subject: Your post 4/12 Hi Lorraine: I found your post interesting, and so Id like to comment on it. Hope your doing good today. Please dont be offended by my gutter language. In a message dated 97-04-12 16:37:03 EDT, you write: << Subj: ????? >> Date: 97-04-12 16:37:03 EDT >> From: merlin.dwc@internetmci.com (#1 Brat) >> To: SOMMS@MIT.EDU >> >>to anyone out there who's blaming Ben, show some goddamn >> respect. I admit it. I said something bad about Ben. And Benlover is a good online friend of mine! I was mad dammit. This whole thing cant be happening! All the articles and reports from the last tour about Ben did this, Ben did that. Its like Ben hates touring so fucking bad.....I just dunno >> just remember that we would've never had Soundgarden >>as we know it without Chris Cornell, Ben Shepherd, Matt >>Cameron and Kim Thayil. we would've never had "Ty Cobb," >>"Zero Chance," "Dusty," "Slaves & Bulldozers," JCP, "Head >>Down," "Half," "Somewhere" w/out Ben. and that's why i just can't >>understand it. Ben was the best bass player they had. He has contributed positively to Soundgarden. >>how much more music could they have created >>together????? they belong together. it was kismet. a person could go insane thinking about it too much. >>there's so many bands & artists out there that i love, so many different kinds of music... and Hole's gonna start recording a new album, All my respect and my like of Courtney Love and Hole flew out the window when I read in Spin that of all people, the pumpkin puke Billy Corgan is gonna write her fucking MUSIC CUZ SHE DOESNT HAVE ANY FUCKING TALENT OF HER OWN AND KURT REALLY DID WRITE ALL THE FUCKING SONGS ON LIVE THROUGH THIS!!!!! Im really pissed at her for that. Im boycotting listening to her music. (disclaimer-->i can hate pumpkins if I want too, and you shouldnt care) >>David Bowie's on tour... and suddenly i don't care. *my >>favorite band* has broken up. i don't care. No other music interests me either. >>hardly anyone around here knows, or cares, or understands. the >>person who calls himself my father had a flash of genius & >>offered these kind words - "what the hell is all this trouble about? >>so a band broke up, so what? that happens, bands break up." yes >>Frank, i guess you've forgotten all your Beatles records down in the >> basement. i guess you've forgotten that you once loved something, >> or at least claim to have. Well, then he probably has never had the pleasure of having music wrap its loving arms around his soul. :) You got us babe, and we KNOW. Its a real ice pick to the chest....my husband is such an ass and likes to let me know every chance he gets how much they suck, he hates them, how much he did NOT give a shit they broke up. Why am I married to him???!!!! >> i'm the last person in the world who would ever discredit any of >> them as individual talents who are brilliantly gifted who can stand on >> their own. i would never in a million yrs think that. but together they >> formed *the greatest band in history*... how can they give that up? >> how can they let anything destroy that? It would take every grain of my being to walk out on stage for the 500th time and play black hole sun and act like I meant it. Even their job is a job. Theyre rich and they dont have to work anymore. If I was them, I would probably be burnt out too. Theres only so much energy to give. >> ~Lorraine >>"and you know you have it still, Heaven inside you..." >> ~Jerry Cantrell, Alice in Chains Carol Im a searchlight soul they say, but I cant see it in the night. CC fobd ------------------------------ From: Larry Grover Subject: trampled underfoot We should all be very grateful for this list and our friends here. I'm on a SG newsgroup and frankly I'm in shock at what I have read there. Everytime someone expresses grief or even suggests a personal way to pay tribute to the band, they are being mercilessly SLAMMED!! I'm talking about just plain foul-mouthed meanness. I don't know how those people can call themselves fans, and if they aren't fans what the hell are they doing on the newsgroup? Anyway, one thing that has really struck me reading the postings here is that while there are hundreds of us all over the world, so many of us seem to have no one in the flesh to turn to. It's one thing to not understand someone else's grief experience, to not be able to feel the same way they do. It's quite another altogether to be deliberately cruel, to belittle someone, to kick them when they're down. I don't care what the issue is, a band breakup, the death of a pet, the loss of a friend, anything that causes a person pain. I'm no pollyanna and I never have been. I'm at least as cynical as anybody, but it's a sad commentary on human nature isn't it. We should all learn from this to be very careful with others' emotional attachments, even if they seem stupid or blown out of proportion to us. Jen Grover ------------------------------ From: Moonsta693@aol.com Subject: down in a hole MtV. If you saw the week in rock this weekend, all I have to say is look at the last segment when Kurt was with chris at the '97 grammy's. Look at where Susan is. Look at Chris' reaction when Kurt asks him about future plans. Listen closly to what Chris' is saying. Look at his facial expression. I think that it may be a clue to one reason of the breakup. In response to what I read for everyone, it does seem like we only have each other to turn to 'cause no one else understands. My dad laughs and says I should get a life, my mom is so sarcastic is fuckin' anoying, my boyfriend was laughing at me, and everyone around me just seem like they didn't notice how I was feeling. Only two other people at my school knew how I felt. They put their band in Soundgarden's place, and themselves in my situation. They understood. It's just too bad that we all really can't get together face to face in a room, and have a kind of a roundtable discussion. As for Rolling Stone blamming this whole thing partially on Ben, I'm going to personally write them a letter telling them exactly how they are wrong, and I suggest you do the same. they've done this to so many other bands, and other people. They just never get their facts straight. Here's my fresh deadly rose for the grave. thr original pretty noose ------------------------------ From: Moon Druid Subject: I got fired??? Awww.... > From: don't@bother.com > Subject: a statement Not that I disagree with you, it's just that you've got no balls. If you're going to say something, then you should mean it. Putting a fake address is saying that you're too afraid to say it in public. Moon Druid - ------------------------------ From: cornell > in small picture size on a stiff piece of white paper, cut that out > and put the picture in my wallet...I just have to know...am I now > insane? :) Nahhhh... I printed out the "It's over" message from the web page and hung it up. Moon Druid - ------------------------------ > Subject: Okay, enough > From: seth > You don't know what happened, I don't know what happened. Just leave > > it alone. You're right... nobody does. I'm not blaming Ben (even if it does seem that way). What I am saying is that there was definitely a lot of tension and Ben was obviously releasing it in a way that is different from how the others released it. Unacceptable to the other guys in the band? Maybe. And for making speculations on what they're going to do, I see no problem with that. If we were once allowed to speculate on new albums, we should be able to speculate on future projects. And besides... who doesn't want to see Skin Yard back together (well... maybe not at the expense of Soundgarden... it would be better if there was a nice little compromise. > PS - Moon Druid, you're fired. :) I heard there's a new Sheriff in these parts... Moon Druid ------------------------------ From: cornell Subject: DisographY? Where's the SG discographY? Why the hell are people taking their soundgarden shit dowN? What, the band is broken up, so now we have to give up on remembering them and providing info? I'm sorry , but i'm a little cheesed off. I didn't think dedicated fans would be this willing to quit. AUUGGHGHGHGH!!! Gregg - -- d i s i l l u s i o n http://www.cybercomm.net/~melusk2 "bring it down and under-in" --------------------------------------------- soundgarden:1984-1997 http://www.cybercomm.net/~melusk2/boots/back.htm --------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Subject: Re: DisographY? From: seth > Where's the SG discographY? Why the hell are people taking > their soundgarden shit dowN? What, the band is broken up, > so now we have to give up on remembering them and providing > info? I'm sorry , but i'm a little cheesed off. I didn't > think dedicated fans would be this willing to quit. > AUUGGHGHGHGH!!! Keep your pants on... I'm sure it will be back up. Nobody's taking anything down. seth ------------------------------ From: Dave Subject: Fresh Tendrils A while back some one suggested that 4th of July was never played live, and that was proved wrong. What I want to know is if Fresh Tendrils was ever played live. Possibly what other songs have never been played live. Dave, proud member of the Soundgarden preservation society. 20 years from now I will be eating off of my commemrative SG plates. ------------------------------ From: cornell Subject: Possible futures Since we're discussing possible SG futures here, here's my call: Devilhead does okay, but no real commercial success. Ben plays with Hater as well, and leaves Devilhead for Hater. Matt does whatever the hell he wants to...plays on a bunch of albums, records with Hater, etc. He becomes the drumming "guru". People just call him and say "Hey matt, you wanna play on our album?" And Matt (being the superniceguy that he is) says "ok. it'll be fun." Kim spends the early months tormenting Billy Corgan and making him cry on a regular basis. He'll get a column in some music magazine, preferably entitled "I'm Kim. You're not." If the whole AIC thing is true, about them breaking up too, don't be suprised to see him pal-ing around w/ his buddy Jerry Cantrell. Perhaps a Jerry/Kim project happening? Chris - the much talked about "solo" album? Hmm...I see him disappearing from the big music scene for awhile...maybe having some kids, being a house husband. No doubt he'll hang out with his buddies and write some songs. Maybe there'll be some sort of new band...I just can't envision Chris being alone as a "solo" artist, without gravitating towards his friends. He will undoubtedly do stuff w/Matt and Kim, (matt especially, because he Side projects with the boy often), but whether we will be privy to it will be an entirely different story. That's how I'm callin' 'em. Flame me if you must. Gregg - -- d i s i l l u s i o n http://www.cybercomm.net/~melusk2 "bring it down and under-in" --------------------------------------------- soundgarden:1984-1997 http://www.cybercomm.net/~melusk2/boots/back.htm --------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Subject: Coolest Sig. From: valhalla7@juno.com (Jonathan W Parsons) Hey Guys, Pay ATTENTION! This is only the coolest sig file EVER. >Right now I'm Down on the Upside, >But soon I'll be Ultramega OK. >Although the future is Superunknown, >They'll always be Louder Than Love >You get so much Fopp >In this Screaming Life, >All you can do is show everyone your Badmotorfinger. Whoever you are SS, you win the award. And thanks, you made my day... Jonathan "On the road that I have taken, one day, walking, I awaken, amazed to see where I have come, where I'm going, where I'm from." - --The Book of Counted Sorrows ------------------------------ From: UnknownGrl@aol.com Subject: Biographies and Break ups First on the break up: I'm kind of glad they did... I'll miss ever seeing them in concert again, and new records comeing out... but if people are unhappy they should try and make themselves more happy... even if that means breaking up the best band in the world. But you never know... they might be back (Like the Ramones) or they could even do a reunion tour in a few years... I'd never miss seeing that one! When I first heard about the break up I was in school (third period) everyone made fun of it!! espically the pearl jam fans in my class. I'm the only true sg fan at my school and no one else really cared. That was the worst part about the break up. ***************************** Now I have a favor to ask all sommsters out there: I'm doing a report for school on the early childhood of famous musicians. I was wondering if any of you have any pre-written biographies or know where I can get any on Chris Cornell (of coarse), Scott Weiland, Zack de la Rocha. Any thing you guys could find for me would be greatly appreciated!! Just e-mail me at UNKNOWNGRL@AOL.COM Thanks, Rachel P. ------------------------------ From: Bosshogrox@aol.com Subject: on a brighter note-hear 665-->667 backwards If you heard that it had a backwards message and didnt know how to listen or if you dont have ultramega ok, i have set up 665-->667 in real audio on my page. You can also download real audio from my page if you don't have it. Check it out at: WWW.GEOCITIES.COM/SUNSETSTRIP/CLUB/2262.SOUNDS.HTML FEEL FREE TO LOOK AROUND WHILE YOU ARE THERE! ------------------------------ From: CL Miller Subject: breaking up hey shroomy! the site page is as dark and dreary as the breakup itself. you'll always be a hootchy to us! love ya! chris - -- Thank you for allowing me to babble incessantly! Check out my store's homepage! http://www.MovieStop.com My favorite quote of the week: "Everything has been thought of before: the challenge is to think of it again." ~~ J. W. Goeth ------------------------------ From: Bosshogrox@aol.com Subject: on a brighter note-hear 665-->667 backwards,oops WWW.GEOCITES.COM/sunsetstrip/club/2262 ------------------------------ From: "ANDRI NADZRI" Subject: The Future.... hello all SOMMsters... well..all this speculation bout OTHER bands breaking up is getting to my nerve...c'mon guys....PJ is not breaking up..how would u know?? In fact..although i wouldnt say that this is a reliable source... i read in mag(i forgot which one)that they are in the studio recording new songs...as for AIC...an interview with Mike Inez(bass)in a guitar mag sez that AIC are recording too..so..there u go...its' bad enough having a great band breaking up..that doest mean that other bands will too....Seth..sorry bout this.. On a SG note..saw MTV news yesterday..saw them interviewing Chris at the Grammys.. "We will head back to the studios soon.." *sniff*..memories...zero chance indeed..... peace andri - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Krakhead13@aol.com Subject: re: READ ME!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>You know how Seth makes up Birthday cards to send to the band on their birthdays? Well, I think we should have one to give everyone a chance to tell them (briefly) the effect they've had on us, and just how much we appreciate them! I don't see how we could not do this, I mean how could we NOT do this????!!! <<< I think that is the greatest idea. One vote from me!! just like suicide - --------------------- Forwarded message: From: dumo13@erols.com To: somms@MIT.EDU (somms) Date: 97-04-12 19:22:21 EDT HEY! Just in case anyone is speeding through the digest! HHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!! I think this is a GOOD IDEA!!!!::::: You know how Seth makes up Birthday cards to send to the band on their birthdays? Well, I think we should have one to give everyone a chance to tell them (briefly) the effect they've had on us, and just how much we appreciate them! I don't see how we could not do this, I mean how could we NOT do this????!!! Whaddaya say Seth?! northern virginia chris AKA: Liverman "BLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED YERRRRRR HEARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRTT OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWT!" Somehow smiling! ------------------------------ From: Krakhead13@aol.com Subject: mail fan club? Ok. Quick thoughts. Actually questions. 1. With the splitting up of the band what will happen to the fan club(mail)? 2. Do you think that the band breaking up could have anything to do with the fact that DOTU only sold 3million copies compared to something like SUPERUNKNOWN which was multiplatnuim? That maybe they thought they were losing it? I think I know the answers I'll get but this was just a thought. MTV kinda gave me the second idea. just like suicide. PAM ------------------------------ From: ThNrthFace@aol.com Subject: Re: mail fan club? Platinum sales is 1 million copies, Triple Platinum is by no means a failure.... The List Thug and SOMMS Sheriff Aaron ------------------------------ From: Rita Subject: Re: mail fan club? > 2. Do you think that the band breaking up could have anything to do with the > fact that DOTU only sold 3million copies compared to something like > SUPERUNKNOWN which was multiplatnuim? That maybe they thought they were > losing it? i think soundgarden would be the last band on earth to measure their success and future on album sales. if that were the case, they would have quit after ultramega ok. it was chris who said music driven by money deserves to fail. thats all, rita ------------------------------ From: "Ben \"Flea\" Burnsed" Subject: What about the future of rock? What I wanna know is, in light of the recent breakup, the rumors of other Seattle-based bands on the skids, and shitty guitar magazines claiming that "Alternative Music is Dead" (the break-up, I know, they'll display as "evidence"), does the music I've written, which has a lot of Soundgarden and Alice in Chains influence, even stand a chance of becoming popular? This is supposing, of course, that I ever find a band and record it. My answer? It varies day-to-day. My optimism? The "Alternative" movement (which has become anything but anymore) will die down (the Alternative "Spirit" will never pass, as it hasn't for hundreds of years), but after another 5-10 years of listening to Aerosmith and Van Halen, people will again become bored of the same old shit and return to the music my generation has grown to love in the last few years (i.e. the Return of Disco!) I figure, maybe punk rock needs to get outta the spotlight for a few years so we can refocus as musicians instead of trying to be popular and trendy. Soundgarden was there before alternative became mainstream (and therefore not alternative). I believe their music will live on forever (after all, I still here "Rock the Casbaugh" on the radio). If they play with other projects, I will listen to them; they are all talented musicians whom I respect very much. Finally: no more pointing fingers. None of you motherfuckers really know what the reasons are unless your name is Chris Cornell, Kim Thayill, Ben Shephard, or Matt Cameron (or maybe if you're name is Susan Silver, I don't know). I especially do not want to see another fucking message dissing on one of the greatest bass players on the planet! Yes, Ben had ties with the band long before he joined, and was probably one of the wisest moves Soundgarden ever made. Peace and Soundgarden forever Ben "Flea" Burnsed, Jr. Half a chance, Half a chance, We still have a chance. ------------------------------ From: Bosshogrox@aol.com Subject: Re: mail fan club? by the way 3million is multiplatinum and I think it was a sucess ------------------------------ From: cornell Subject: Random Thoughts and Notes Hey everyone... I was loading up the Unofficial Page, planning to cruise it for a bit, when the random lyric came up: "We steal that smile from your face". Truer words have never been spoken. Soundgarden has stolen the smile from my face, but it is the same smile that they gave me...so whose smile is it, really? In reference to the "techno" -ization of music, due to the breakups and setbacks of prominent hard rock bands....I have to agree. It seems to be what all the hangers-on are grabbing at. Pretty soon you will see all these "new" bass & drum bands and techno bands that were covering Bush and Nirvana a couple months ago come onto MTV. Well, I must say "fuck it". If rock becomes obscured, I won't give a damn. I'll play it, I'll write it, I'll love it. I'll play Soundgarden songs till the day I die, then I'll play 'em some more. For all the people who are seeing their rock idols fade away and dissipate, do not despair...stay true to yourself and your music and you'll achieve happiness. Personally, if it came down to playing music I didn't like and making a ton of money; and playing music I love and having to work a shit-ass 9-to-5 job, I would pick the latter. There's no real debate, in my mind. Trends come and go, but rock never really dies, does it? We are the children of Soundgarden, and their music will never die as long as our music lives. Simple as that. Gregg - -- d i s i l l u s i o n http://www.cybercomm.net/~melusk2 "bring it down and under-in" --------------------------------------------- soundgarden:1984-1997 http://www.cybercomm.net/~melusk2/boots/back.htm --------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Dave Subject: The new disco Yes the rise of techno is evident. It is slipping into the mainstream, is music's purpose is to get people to dance. I dont think so. Is the recent breakup of SG the first sign of the death of "hard rock" (I use that term loosly). I dont think so. But take into consideration the fact that Pearl Jams last album went to numero uno, but then it quickly vanished, and then SG's last album only debuted at 2 it also vanished. Are people just getting tired of rock? I see a mergence of technology and your basic guitar, bass and drums. Bands like Filter and NIN and dare I say Maralyn Mansan (a group that reminds me of glam), have made use of this facility. U2's last album wasnt that bad. I'm sure that Soundgardens breakup wasnt due to what is happening in the music scene, its probably what can we do next? They have done it all, they got better after each album, though I liked Down on The Upside I just felt they could have done more, soundgarden have always broke down barriers, its just now that it felt like they were behind one. There is only so much you can do with a guitar. I just feel that techno is gunna be the new kind of disco, and that there will be a new kind of punk to destroy it. Despite how technologically it gets, it will eventually return to being just guitar's and drums. Thats how it all started. Dave ------------------------------ From: #1 Brat well, the tears have stopped. and the reality of it all seems to be sinking in. things'll probably never be the same again. me, the eternal optimist, i guess sometimes to a fault -- i think i'll always hope in the back of my mind that they'll be a band again. i just wanna go back -- to 3 yrs ago when i first discovered them, or to the night back in november when i saw them at the electric factory, or the day i saw them at lolla in nyc -- those were the 2 greatest days of my life. i know some ppl think that a lot of their songs were foretelling - not to me. i never saw it coming... maybe i just didn't let myself. i've never been one to think the worst. in butow -- "i've given everything i need, i'd give you everything i own, i'd give in if it could at least be ours alone..." Chris could've been saying it to Soundgarden... but somehow i don't think so. i don't normally think about how hard it all must be for them sometimes -- just contending w/ everyday life, which is hard enough, plus being pressured to sell, sell, sell i'm sure, plus being in the spotlight. then you work things like personal or internal problems, possible writer's block, etc. into the equation... but that still doesn't make the break up any easier to accept. i'm trying to smile, but i still feel torn apart. the world will never be the same w/out them together. but we've all got to go on, knowing that though Soundgarden the band may have died, Soundgarden the music, the essence, the phenomenon will live on forever through us, and they'll go on making amazing music and kicking serious ass wherever they go, whether they do it together or not. i made that promise to them, and i also promised that i'll make them proud of me. one day they'll know who i am, one day they'll see what they in part inspired, and enabled, me to create. listening to Soundgarden i grew up - not physically but spiritually, mentally... and i found out that i no longer have idols, but i'll always have heroes. Soundgarden, the band 1985-1997... Soundgarden, the essence Immortal "All along the fateful coast we moved silent like a ghost timeless sea of tireless host possessed us... the wind came building from the cold northwest and soon the waves began to crest crashing cross the forward deck all hands lost... I alone, survived the sinking I alone, possessed the tools, on that ship of fools..." ~Bob Seger, "Ship of Fools" ---> <--- a beautiful song, which has a very personal & new meaning to me now... it's funny, listening to some other music has been comforting in a way "nothing seems to break me, no matter how far I fall... nothing can break me at all" ~my motto... forever ~Lorraine ------------------------------ From: "Lori S. Bingel" Subject: so.florida radio special Don't know if any of you sommsters from the Miami area caught the SG radio tribute/special on 94.9 WZTA at 9:00 p.m. tonight - I caught it on tape for anyone who is interested, but it was nothing major - the songlist included: Into the Void (Sealth) Spoonman Like Suicide (acoustic) Rusty Cage Get on the Snake The Day I Tried to Live Jesus Christ Pose Burden In My Hand She Likes Surprises Tighter and Tighter The D.J. was pretty stupid, rambling about how SG was relatively "unknown" until maybe 1992 when they played Lolla (???!!!!???), he also followed She Likes Surprises with an announcement saying it was from the overseas release of DOTU (uhhhhh????), but there were a few little interview quips (the Mr. Bunchypants thing, etc.), and only one commecrcial break. All in all, it was just nice to hear 60 min. of straight SG on the radio. Anyone who is interested in the tape of this broadcast, just get in touch with me personally. lori ------------------------------ From: eliza Subject: a day in the life i am not sure how i would label this phase of the grieving process, but my mind has been running all day and this is my attempt to put it into words... art is its most beautiful and most powerful when it is created for the artist's sake, and not for the audience...We have all seen artists cross that line, from doing if for themselves, to doing for the audience...it happens in every form of art, not just music, and it is never pretty...Soundgarden has touched us all so deeply because we have felt the genuiness of their words and music, their soulfulness, the deep real emotion....We have felt that because they have felt that - because it has been their way of getting through life and adding meaning to their lives...Chris said making music has been his drug since he was 15...they *had* to make music, no matter who was listening....that creates art. alot of us, including me, have been saying "what about us?", but if they are going to make music just for us, i dont want it...i dont think anyone would want it...if it doesn't come from their souls, if they don't 100% genuinely feel it and back it, i dont want it...maybe they decided to stop before they ended up crossing that line... people often talk about the trend of liking a bands' early music versus "their new stuff" - i think there may be a strong reason this happens sometimes.... for so many bands, the beginning is real and pure and *for them*...a few people get together to share their need of creating something - - there is no *us*...then the fans step into the picture, and the publicity and the money and the attention, which can be great and motivating for awhile..but quite often, later stuff is no longer created because they have to create for their own souls, it becomes something they are expected to do, and it is for *us*...and that often leads to the music being much less intense, much less unreal, and much less art... is this all helping me? not really... like everything else in life, we want things to stay the way they were, for it to be the way it was...and it the hardest thing in the world to accept that it can't and won't... i have written this for myself, to help me work it out, to try to deal...if it reaches anyone out there in addition, great...if not, it still helped me... and you all have helped me... eliza "Marching in lines of contradiction Forgetting the history we make Loving our hangmen as the penultimate joke" ------------------------------ From: Greg Dunbar Subject: Head high you've got to smile ...well it's finally beginning to sink in Thank you Soundgarden for giving us so much. Everyone feels a little bitter but I guess it is their lives and they can do whatever they feel, and they always have and that's one of the best things about Soundgarden. The best of luck to Chris, Kim, Matt and Ben in whatever they do in the future. I'm definitely thankful that I got to see them when I had the chance. BTW, I went to see Tool last night. WOW is all I can say. For Soundgarden addicts who are wondering what they should be listening to now and haven't heard Tool before, get a CD of theirs and check it out. Absoloutely brilliant band. I really only mention this because there seems to be quite a link between the bands. At the Soundgarden show there were almost as many Tool shirts as Soundgarden, and Kim wore a Tool shirt at the Big Day Out Melbourne. And then last night there were heaps of people with Soundgarden shirts, and I think Adam Jones has worn Soundgarden T-Shirts at gigs before. Anyway, keep your head up and be proud of what Soundgarden has given us. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Come on you wimp, paddle on to "THE SEAS OF CHEEZCAKE" http://www.cbl.com.au/~greg - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------------ From: Rita Subject: has is sunk in yet???? yes, this is another post about the break up....surprised? when i first read the news i cried, got mad, almost became physically ill and couldn't drive a car, honestly, someone had to drive me to where i had to go that day. whats scary is that i don't even think this news has totally sunk in yet. prior to the ANNOUNCEMENT, things in sg land were pretty low profile, they were in between making albums and on vacation and we sort of expected not to hear or see them on the scene for a while. the point here is that, for the time being, all of our albums would have been able to hold us up for awhile until the next one would have been released. now i don't know about you all (though i'm pretty sure this applies) but every year or 2 every inch of my being, like a god damn biological clock, begins to crave a new sg album. it can't wait for the sweet ritual of going to the record store, seeing the new cover, ripping off the plastic, taking out the cd, popping it in the stereo and just sitting back and breaking it in. this clock of mine will begin ticking in about jan.98 (if they would have been together still i would imagine the new album would have come out sometime that year) and it will tick and tock and wait for that new album, and there will be NOTHING, nothing to fulfill it. i think then i will truly feel the impact of this split. i think then i will truly realize to the full depths what a loss this was. cuz right now, i keep reading and seeing that SOUNDGARDEN BROKE UP but still, it has not sunk in and won't until in three years i still wait for new sg and am left empty. i'll survive, i mean they made 6 INCREDIBLE albums that have the capability of holding me over for the rest of my life. but....it'll still be a very sad, sad day. and i sure hope this list is still here when that clock goes off, cuz god knows only you people can understand. i can just imagine the reactions of an outsider, who doesn't get it *now* that they broke up...can u imagine in a couple of years?? "they're just a band and for god's sake they broke up 3 years ago, get over it"(hearing my mother's voice attatched to those words...but if i'm still living at home in 3 years then i deserve it!!!!) eternally grateful for this list, rita, the self appointed queen of denial ------------------------------ From: Fiona Thiessen Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 12 Apr 1997 Seth...(sorry I have tried emailing you personally) I am occasionally getting posts from people even though i get SOMMS digest, not all of them just some...any idea why? To any Australians: If you have the time could you please flood the Recovery web site (www.abc.net.au/recovery) requesting Jesus Christ Pose. I am writing a letter to "rage" asking whether they can do a SG special...once again, if you have the time or want it done, could you do so also <> :) I once asked them to do a "seattle special" to sort of compliment the release of Hype! (btw in my letter I particulary asked for them to show that bands other than Nirvana, SG, PJ and Mudhoney came from there) they said it might be a possiblity so w/enough encouragement I think they'd do the SG special. Also**** Tool are on the J-files this thursday...i know not SG related but alot of people on this list that i have talked to like Tool too! Fiona ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 3 Issue 90] ***************************************