SOMMS Digest - 28 Apr 1998 to 29 Apr 1998 [ Message/RFC822 19KB. ] [ Unable to print this part. ] There are 16 messages totalling 445 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Soundgarden Symbol (2) 2. survey surprise !!!! 3. _LTL_ & Guild S100's 4. Motorvision + Louder Than Live 5. Miscellaneous Sheista (2) 6. survey surprise (2) 7. Obtaining SG CDs 8. Boot Camp (4) 9. My opinions on "fanship" 10. A quote To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:37:47 +1000 From: mark Subject: Soundgarden Symbol Can someone please tell me if that symbol in the unofficial Soundgarden home page is like the real symbol of Soundgarden or is it just made up. need the info dudes mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 08:13:03 EDT From: SpoOnArTis Subject: Re: Soundgarden Symbol It's official. Look in the booklet of UMOK.............. ~Matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:28:27 +0100 From: Guillaume PETETIN Subject: Re: survey surprise !!!! > guillaume Petein wrote: > > > But I'm surprised people are moved by songs like Say hello, Hunger > > Strike, Call me a dog, Wooden Jesus, all night thing, Four walled > > world etc... > > Hey I just forgot the not!!! :) Just remark I said TOTD was my fav SG side project!! PIF > geez, man, how can you not be moved by those kinds of creations? > granted, i don't get teary when i listen to Hunger Strike (it's one of > the weaker songs on the album, imho) but a song like Say Hello 2 > Heaven.... it's made me cry more times than i'd probably like to admit. > = ) the album also helped me greatly when SG broke up. i couldn't listen > to SG itself, but ToTD let me cry and wallow for a while...let me deal > with the pain of the loss of SG through something else. it's a very > important album to me. i knew who Andy Wood was before ToTD, but that > album didn't make me more interested in Wood. i did that myself by > buying the Apple/Shine combo much later, and didn't even think of ToTD > as a reference. it was more a curiosity piece. > Call me a Dog is just incredible. the vocals of "if you keep me on a > lease and drag me aloooooooooooong..." just bring that lump of sheer joy > and amazement into my throat that i get from Chris's music/SG's music. > it's SO moving. as much as Like SUicide, as much as Seasons, as much as > Nowhere but You... as much as any emotional song. which would be all of > them, actually. > > =) mind riot > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:01:33 EDT From: O6z6z6y Subject: _LTL_ & Guild S100's Howdy. Just got _LTL_ on green wax today (among other things, nod to "you know who" };) and I must say, damn that is some pretty wax. Anyway... I'm looking for opinions on Guild S100's. I know with the SG's I play (as well as with most any guitar) there are good years & bad years. I'm particularly curious about how they've held up after the Fender buy-up...same quality or should I be looking for another year some time back in the '70's era? Hook me up ya'll. L8r ~^v^OzzY^v^~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:00:09 -0400 From: Kris Subject: Motorvision + Louder Than Live When I first went to buy Motorvision and Louder Than Live in the Fall of 1996 I found them right next to each other at a store called Saturday Matinee. Now I try a find another one for my friend and it's nowhere to be found. I'd check at www.gemm.com, they usually have TONS of stuff, but you'll pay top dollar for it :( And about Motorvision...Does anybody know why they didn't name it Badmotorvision instead? It would seem to fit better plus I think it sounds cooler :) Just my opinion... Kris Hermansen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:44:15 -0400 From: Kris Subject: Miscellaneous Sheista I have nothing better to do so I think that I will post for a second time (sorry!) I think that I will just discuss whatever is on my mind in fact, pertaining to Soundgarden of course ;) First of all, what is a TRUE fan? Is he/she the type of person that has the $$ to spend on whatever they find? Or is he/she the type that will sit day after day listening to all their albums not knowing of any other singles? Let me introduce my theory :) There is no such thing as a TRUE fan. You either like the band or you don't. Most people are used to radio and tv hits (not most of us on this list however). These are the people that could give a fuck about their newest release or important news pertaining to the band. They ride the wave persay. Whatever happens to the band is less meaningful to someone who cherishes every note that is played. This is where the fans come in. The fans have this strange feeling inside of them. It calls out to them saying "I want everything that the band has ever released". Most people have already figured it out that there is almost no chance of that ever happening, unless you win some sort of a sweepstake from A&M, SST, and SUB POP! However, there are certain degrees of being a fan, but don't get me wrong here, there is no one true fan. At least one other person will have a different item than you or vice-verca. (For example, you may own every single by the band, but not own Motorvision. Then another fan comes along with 20 bootleg videos and the "Black Hole Sun" single. You are both given a form of degree) "The Hermansen Theory of Fanacism" ***1st DEGREE*** -you own between 1 and 4 albums ***2nd DEGREE*** -you own all the albums (inc. SL/FOPP) ***3rd DEGREE*** -you have a decent supply of singles/ep's (4-8) ***4th DEGREE*** -you know quite a bit about the band (you buy books/mags) ***5th DEGREE*** -you collect bootleg material (audio/video/etc...) ***6th DEGREE*** -you know/memorize a great amount of the lyrics (to some extent...) ***7th DEGREE*** -you have been to 1-5 concerts where you have seen the band live ***8th DEGREE*** -you have been to 5+ concerts where they have played ***9th DEGREE*** -you think about the band almost everyday (with exceptions) ***10th DEGREE*** -YOU ARE IN THE BAND!!! Now remember, no one degree is higher than another (except 10). Even if one person is all of the above he is no more of a fan than that of a person in the first degree. "WHY" YOU ASK? Well everyone in a degree is a fan so saying that you have money to but all that stuff just proves that you are luckier than most, not that you are a BETTER FAN! I bet than any Soundgarden fan (if they had $1 million) would go out and buy as much stuff as possible. So having more money to buy a band's items just proves itself, nothing else :) Also, some SG fans weren't around or were not able to see them live in concert, I am one of them. I was so pist when I found out that they canceled the show I was supposed to go to in November of 1996, and even more rip to hear five months later that they have broken up! And don't forget, everybody is judged by themself and no one else... Well, that's my two cents for the day, any thoughts??? Kris Hermansen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:20:13 EDT From: GreenC1838 Subject: Re: Miscellaneous Sheista id LOVE to get evrything from SG, but i cant find crap!!! ive got 4 shirst(caricture, DOTU concert shirt, the funky shirt with the two knvies, and the pretty noose promo shirt). I CANT FIND ANYMORE ANYWHERE!!!! ive looked for singles, and got evryone i could find, but of course, they only have the same ones i got evry time i go looking!!! i cant buy any from other sommsters(parents, dont they suck???), and i dont have my licnese yet!!!(1/2 a month left thank god!!!). Im a BIG fan of SG, but not as big a fan as some of u guys!!! i didnt cry when they broke up...but it did make me upset. Heres a great band, whose lyrics and rythms ive never heard of before, and right when im REALLY gettin into em, they brake up!!!(hows that for luck????). Trust me, its not easy bein a big SG fan, without a license, and no job!!! -GwYn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:28:25 +1000 From: Koggle Subject: Re: survey surprise Hey SOMMSters :) > > But I'm surprised people are moved by songs like Say hello, Hunger > > Strike, Call me a dog, Wooden Jesus, all night thing, Four walled > > world etc... I agree with Niki.. how could you NOT be moved? Listen to the lyrics.. they're s o full of hope as well as despair and helplessness.. Have you ever been so unhappy you've thought 'Please mother mercy, take me from this place'.. or something similar? So many of the lines are so easy to relate to.. i'm not even sure how t hey do it, but i get a tremendous wave of emotions.. hell, even hunger strike stirs me *somewhat* when Chris sings "Going hung-ryyyy-yyyyyyyyy!!!" in the choruses.. There's so many other examples too.. 'Call Me a Dog'.. even the opening line "yo u call me a dog, well that's fair enough".. it says so much to me.. It's like the person has been insulted, but has just accepted it.. given up hope that they sho uld fight against it. ("what can I do to make it good for you?") Then the chorus.. " but when it's my time to throw the next stone, I call you beautiful if I call at all ".. the person can't get over the good qualities of this person, despite how mean th ey are to them, they love them too much to hurt them the way they've been hurt by them.. ("you threw me out cos I went digging for more").. if they call at all.. if they 'throw a stone' at all.. it's so sad.. I wasn't 'pushed' to buy Temple of the Dog because of the tragic surroundings.. i actually had no idea what the full story about it was until I'd already bought i t. I had some idea that it was for a singer, but not sure who and the details surrounding it. I was just incredibly interested in something created from the minds and hands of the combination of two of my favourite bands.. (the hunger strike vid is one of my favourites.. can you guess why? ;) hehe) but i can see t hat a tragic background would hype up the sales of an album.. look at those Kurt Cobain t-shirts.. were all the young kids who wear them fans while he was still alive? [note: this is not to start anything, it was the first example that came to me] ..historical proof shows that tragic surroundings up the sales of a group or singer. Like Niki, this album lets me wallow.. I've had a shitty week and after listenin g to ToTD all the way through, I feel a little better.. Alot of the phrases in the songs are very supportive and caring (if that makes sense).. like "don't worry t hat i'll take offense" in All Night Thing.. Morgion1@AOL.COM wrote: > Now lets rate which songs are easiest to cry to I don't know if he/she was joking, but i gave this some thought.. it's a very appropriate theme for my week and I had a couple ideas.. I'd say a good SG cryin g song would be "Boot Camp".. listen to the wailing sound of the guitars at the beginning.. it's almost depressing before he even starts to sing.. and once he does, it's such a feeling of inadequacy and despair - for the lack of a better word, that you can't help feel dragged under by it.. In my opinion, this song is too short.. but then maybe that's why i like it so much.. it makes you feel a certain way, and before you know it, it's over and you think "wow".. er.. i did, anyway.. Laterrrrrr, Koggle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:57:37 EDT From: FoggyGray Subject: Obtaining SG CDs I was thinking the other day about what a bitch it is to acquire all of SGs comps, b-sides, shirts, hats, gloves, pencils, etc... Face it; you can't have all their shit. Besides, if you did have all of SG's material, it would take away from the band's legend as a grass-roots Seattle/rock/grunge band; the SG philosophy of music is "listen to whatever cool accessible music there is", not "stay up 'til 5 AM on the phone with Sam Goody trying to order the Haiti release of Superunknown". Don't get me wrong- I've purchased almost everything I could get my hands on. (The only SG song I don't have and can't find is FRESH DEADLY ROSES; Please e-mail me if you know were or how to get it.) All I'm saying is that the most important thing about Soundgarden is listening. You don't need it all, and you don't need to an Mtv ass. Just listen to the godhead CDs and enjoy them, damnit! Just my humble opinion. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:15:12 -0400 From: Jamesetta Simpson Subject: Re: survey surprise >Now lets rate which songs are easiest to cry to I agree with Koggle was this a joke or not.....but I do have a song of SG that gets me misty eyed. "Fell on Black Days" brings tears to my mind... It is one of those songs that stir's up memories of your own private black days. Chris's voice is set in this deep dark mood that pulls your emotions out and lets you release the sadness of those memories. Each word fits the situation and events that were those days. The video version is even worst - the black/gray over tones, the downward look on the band members faces. It all adds up to loss and pain. I have since left those black days far behind but when "FOBD" fills the air it also fills my minds eye with tears.. Jamie (SOMMs Mom) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:32:47 EDT From: Sunknown1 Subject: Boot Camp has anybody else herd the talking at the beginign of boot camp and if so can you tell me what it says ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:12:55 EDT From: XAnavriNX Subject: My opinions on "fanship" Since the subject came up, I just wanted to add in my opinions on beinf a fan of a band. It is true, no one fan is better than another. I was actually finding myself smirking at the 10 stages of fandom. I think I am on the stages 1,6, and 7!!! Oh my!!! I think you can't analyze these things. You can't really judge anybody on any ownership.... maybe the meaning of the lyrics or something. I, for one, am almost always broke. My mouth waters when I see all those bountiful bootlegs costing $25 each!!! And the mags. And the singles. And the vynil. And the shows... well I can't complain there because when I could see them, I did(twice), but otherwise, I'd ask not to judge anything based on anything having to do with money. Otherwise, I very much agree with you on the fact that you cannot say someone is a bigger fan than anyone. Thats just about it. Igor. P.S. When I asked a question about tibetan freedom, someone suggested all the SOMMS members attending to meet. sounds great. We should arrange something once everyone gets their own tickets. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:31:25 -0400 From: El Conspiraco Subject: Re: Boot Camp has anybody else herd the talking at the beginign of boot camp and if so can you tell me what it says [] No one knows what it says. Not even the boys. How they got that voice is by outputting a radio into a guitar speaker (I think). It's probably some guy te lling the news. When I first heard it, I thought it was some dude talking about kickin g some dude's ass in a boot camp. Boy, was I wrong :) Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:42:50 EDT From: Morgion1 Subject: A quote Directly from the bestest Soundgarden site, you may or may have not seen it before "People want to take so much, analyzing the lyrics and trying to figure out 'Did you mean that?' or 'You said that to me, didn't you?'. That cheapens it. That makes it old. Sometimes it makes you feel like you're living in a land of cows that just don't think." --Ben Shepherd, Rolling Stone 1992 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:58:30 -0400 From: Brian Kirkner Subject: Re: Boot Camp Not that this is related or anything, but it could just be the wah pedal picking up the radio station. If you have a big amp, and are in a moderately populated town with a wah pedal, you pick up radio stations. If you turn the mid-treble way up on a mixer that by chance you might have laying around, and everything else down, you can kinda make out what he's saying. The first line kinda sounds like, "It'll be increasing to 1 hundred ten...(a few lines later)...pretty gloomy weekend..." Like a weather forecast, although I doubt it would get 110 degrees and be gloomy. El Conspiraco wrote: > > has anybody else herd the talking at the beginign of boot camp and if so can > you tell me what it says > > [] No one knows what it says. Not even the boys. How they got that voice is > by outputting a radio into a guitar speaker (I think). It's probably some guy telling > the news. When I first heard it, I thought it was some dude talking about kick ing some > dude's ass in a boot camp. Boy, was I wrong :) > > Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:28:38 -0500 From: Geoff Subject: Re: Boot Camp The voice at the beginning of Boot Camp was picked up by cheap effects pedal, according to one of the band members. They put the pedal in the spot in the room where it picked up the station the best and ran a tape on it. I don't recall what kind of effect pedal it was, but every pedal I've owned has picked up the radio. I guess they must have been cheap too. Geoff ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 28 Apr 1998 to 29 Apr 1998 ************************************************